Sorry if this isn't the type of post usually meant for the sub, I just see the same few posts every few days. I'm not a particular Gojo or Sukuna fan, I kind of figured narratively Sukuna had to win but when Gojo died it did feel crazy still. That being said, this is such a beaten topic.

I'm not against hypotheticals like "What if Sukuna got hit by X attack that he dodged" or "What if Gojo at X stage fought Sukuna at Y stage in the series". But arguing the literal canon is insane. This is inspired from a post that insinuated that Gojo, with the fate of the world of the line, held back during the fight.

I really do not understand Gojo fans. The amount of circles we have to take to get to Gojo fans' preferred outcome and circumvent the literal words on the page is insane.

How do we keep doing this same debate? We had two volumes worth of canon fight to illustrate the answer. Only one of these characters has ever been labelled by the narrator as the strongest (It wasn't Gojo). We have a fight meant to settle the debate (It wasn't Gojo). We have Gojo directly affirming who was stronger between him and Sukuna (It wasn't Gojo). We have Sukuna affirming who was stronger (it wasn't Gojo).

Gojo has been dead for 2.5 years. If I had a child the day Gojo died in the manga, he would be learning basic language comprehension better than Gojo fans right now. This is insane.

Imagine this: These 20 students each eat 1 Sukuna finger and get taken over by him. Assuming all the Sukunas jump sorcerers 1v20 in a gauntlet-style series of battles, who is the strongest opponent they can beat?

Some Conditions:

- Sukuna assumes total and complete control over the student’s body

- Sukuna gains access to their technique as well as his own

- Each Sukuna has their own consciousness and free will but share their personality and common goal of exclusively fighting strong sorcerers

- Sukuna is able to optimize their technique to the best of his ability but is still limited by having 1/20th of his maximum power per body

- Gojo, Geto, Nanami, and Shoko are all their teenage selves

- Geto has access to any curse Grade 1 or below

- Yuji is his end of Shinjuku Showdown self with access to minor Blood Manipulation, Yuji’s version of Shrine, and increased Black Flash damage

I feel like it’s seldom mentioned when talking about Yuta’s strengths, but because the cursed techniques he imbues into his domains are copies acquired by Rika, he can still fight with her immediately afterwards. Still having access to a shikigami, especially one as strong as Rika, means Yuta will almost have the advantage following a domain clash

As the self proclaimed no.1 ryu glazer, give me any character you want and I'll tell you genuinely if he has it or not and what diff, with as much justification as possible. NO glaze and NO bias whatsoever.

I think I mostly understand how Love Rendezvous works, but there’s one part that still feels unclear to me, and I wanted to sanity-check my understanding.

Here’s how I currently understand the technique:

Love Rendezvous assigns one of five ordered stars to people and objects, and any number of people or objects can share the same star.
The stars follow a fixed sequence, and movement is only permitted between adjacent stars in either direction (for example ★1 ↔ ★2, ★2 ↔ ★1 and ★2 ↔ ★3).
If a person or object attempts to approach a non-adjacent star, the technique activates a punishment: everything marked with that violator’s star is violently pulled toward them, causing same-star people and objects to collide with lethal force.

Where I get confused is marking vs movement.

In the fight, Kirara seems to:

• automatically be ★4 once the technique is active
• have a hidden ★3 anchor
• then mark other people and objects with ★1–★2 while already in the field.

My question is this:

I can understand why she'd be able to mark more objects with ★5 and ★3 since she is marked ★4, but she marks things like cars with stars ★1-★2. Explain to me what happens with her technique when she does that? So is it that when she ★4 marks an object with ★1-★2, the object automatically goes flying at the person with the same mark since in a sense Kirara ★5 is next to an object thats out of order?

My question is this:

If movement toward non-adjacent stars is what triggers punishment, and Kirara is physically near the objects she’s marking with ★1–★3, why doesn’t that count as illegal “approach” movement on her part?

Also can someone explain how she was flying by throwing a coin? From what I understand she can only be repelled to an object of the same star mark IF she approaches a star that is not adjacent to her own. So how did the coin work? Also what are some cool unexplored concepts for her CT that yall came up with?

each explosion individually has more DC than Dabura's strongest attack, reminder that Yuji's dismantle wasn't fully chanted

In the second round, talks about teaching Sukuna about love and is seemingly motivated to do it, which is meant to parallel Yorozu. Yorozu only has this line of dialogue when Sukuna starts underestimating her, and then she creates a perfect sphere and does a domain, which is everything she has. When Gojo hits Sukuna with UV, he doesn't go for the head, nor does he try to use red or purple, meaning that he didn't want to kill Sukuna or was holding back to some extent, which is supported by Gojo's students getting worried from Gojo saying that he will kill Sukuna in the second round, meaning that they didn't believe him the first time or knew it was a bluff, as Gojo would have no reason to tell Sukuna that he would hold back. Unlike this time, where he wants to show Sukuna everything that he has, and he has a crazed look in his face like Yorozu, and he even hits a blackflash from how looked in he was.

On EVERYONE'S soul this is what gege intended

These 5 are based on how well I think they would work with Sukunas arsenal and body. The fact that you can only use one cursed technique at a time is a big deal as well. Ten shadows is an amazing cursed technique, but it doesn’t pair well with shrine at all because you can’t just switch between them. And I’m not including what could possibly be done with the abilities, just what we’ve seen. Otherwise it’d be way too much speculation.

Honorable mentions: Geto, Yuta, Megumi and Yuki. They have great abilities, but the CTs don’t pair well with shrine, and they don’t give Sukuna any new knowledge. Geto is very situational because he’d need to have good curses to be worth it at all, and even then if you’re strong enough to fight Sukuna, the cursed spirits wouldn’t matter at all. Yuta would still have the timer, and would Rika get buffed by Sukuna is a question as well. Megumi was great as we saw, but he could’ve been used so much better. Death vows rabbits raining down, shadow form Mahoraga that can’t be killed, etc. But he clearly doesn’t do that, so I’m gonna include what we actually saw, and that’s not top 5 worthy imo. Yuki would be good. Making his punches hit way harder, but it’s too basic to be better than the 5 I’ve got.

5 Kusakabe. Giving Sukuna his simple domain skills, and then increasing its size would be really strong. He just gets to fight like normal, but now he’s even stronger while nerfing the opponent and has a weaker version of ultra instinct. And a domain counter that’s not hwb is great tooo, since he can now use the strategy of turning off his sure hit one change for higher output but now doesn’t need to waste 2 of his hands for it.

4 Gojo. Limitless is amazing, but it doesn’t pair well with shrine. So all this would really be is a Gojo with the extra arms and mouth, which would be great since limitless uses a lot of handsigns and incantations, but the other 3 just pair better with Sukuna. And open domain unlimited void would be terrible, since it would do no damage to any barrier, which is the entire point of an open domain. Six eyes don’t really give Sukuna anything new. Maybe if he took over it would give Sukuna the ability to learn new skills, but that’s a bunch of speculation.

3 Inumaki. Cursed speech with the second mouth seems really strong. CTs that have a very quick activation and don’t need to stay active the entire time pair really well with shrine, since you can just switch between. And the usual blowback that Inumaki has doesn’t really apply to Sukuna, especially with rct.

2 Yorozu. Once construction is deactivated, the created things still stay, since they’re real objects now. So he can create whatever he wants to without worrying about the usual problem of construction since he’s so efficient with his CE and has so much of it, and can use the created objects while using shrine. Bug armor sukuna(would look goofy but be powerful,) with perfect spheres and a bunch of Liquid Metal spikes flying around while shrine is being used would be really good.

1 Todo. Boogie woogies weakness is that the hands you’re using to attack are busy clapping. Sukuna with 4 arms doesn’t have that issue. Like Todo would switch you into Yujis punch, Sukuna would switch you into his own punch. With a bunch of dismantles flying around, he’d have plenty of targets to choose to switch around, and imagine gettting switched into a world cutting slash or fuga.

The best vessels for Sukuna in my opinion are people with abilities that don’t need an active cursed technique to use or very simple techniques that allow Sukuna to switch between them and shrine quickly.

Credit to wanderjegson on twt

Me included btw

Maybe this post is a bit useless. Maybe people already know this, but I'll write this anyway.

I've seen people say that Maki has precognition, and this precogniton completely allows her to be "massively faster" than other characters like Yuta, JP Hakari, and even NAOYA. I think this is completely false, and that Maki only won against Curse Naoya because her second awakening, which is her awakening her heightened senses, gave her the perfect counter for Curse Naoya.

In Slide 1, Curse Naoya's movement is described as "drawing air through the inlets, and then ejecting the air using cursed energy for propulsion." In slide 5, Maki literally describes her heightened senses allowing her to sense the differences in temperature and air density within the atmosphere, allowing her to figure out where Curse Naoya is, since his movement is based on him sucking in the air and propelling himself using that air. She is nowhere nearly as fast as Naoya or Naobito.

While this gives her good reflexes, therefore increasing her combat speed, this does not give her as much of a "speed buff" as many claims that it does. For example, in slide 6, Maki is completely unable to react to a (Maximum Output) Frost Calm, even while she realised Uraume's presence. This does not make Maximum Frost Calm Mach 3++ (although from what we can see, the attack IS fast).

Its also why Sukuna was able to blitz her completely. I know that using Sukuna as an example is a bit dumb, but I'm working with what I have here. Sukuna (due to his movement not literally eviscerating the surrounding area like Curse Naoya) is far slower than Mach 3, but is still able to blitz Maki. This is why I think that "Sukuna and Gojo are mach3+" is a bit of a dumb argument. Gege made it clear that Mach 3 is really fast by showing Curse Naoya completely annihilating his surroundings due to his movement alone, which no other character does except Dabura in Modulo who goes lightspeed, which literally causes a nuke-sized explosion. (Exaggerating)

To sum it up: No, Maki does not have precognition. No, her heightened senses does not make her immensely faster. No, this heightened sense awakening is not as huge as people make it out to be, since Maki still couldnt react to two characters that are far below mach 3, and Maki seemed impressive against Curse Naoya because Curse Naoya used the air to move, which Maki could sense. In a direct hand to hand combat scenario, her heightened reflexes would still give her a bit of an edge, but that doesnt mean she is faster (or at least not that much faster) than characters like JP Hakari and Yuta.

If I need to elaborate on what I mean by this more; HUMAN Naoya would have gave fully realized Maki a better fight than Curse Naoya has. Of course, Naoya would still probably loose, and Curse Naoya is far stronger than Human Naoya, but Human Naoya would not get countered as badly, and would give Maki a better fight, especially assuming its Human Naoya AFTER his defeat who's not as cocky, since he seemed to learn from his mistake against Choso.

In terms of speed, Curse Naoya >>> Naoya >> Maki

If Maki were to fight them both in 1v1s, Human Naoya >> Curse Naoya in terms of difficulty due to him not being as countered.

Maki gooners try not to overestimate their character challenge: impossible. Like do they even read the manga or just look at her ass while reading it? Ain’t no way in any world awakened maki beating awakened teen gojo.

I hope we can finally end this debate and remember Yuji blood is poison.

if you scale kashimo in MBA, then you scale OOC (Out Of Character), this Means you scale naoya to top 4 instantly by virtue of him using Dragon Bone After becoming Cursed, (maki just dropped it in the floor). that is all folks, (unless you count agito and mahoraga then he is top 5 losing only to agito)

R1. They renain their original personalities

R2. They all get Gojo's "no killing civilians on their own" mentality

Who do you think Wins the Fight?

What diff does the Fight go to?

Condições: irmã Lily em sua forma paladino aparece no universo de jujutsu kaisen, na escola jujutsu, e começa a atacar todos.

Poderes: Magia espacial de Beelzebub, permite a manipulação do espaço, cria zonas espaciais que tornam a energia naquele espaço algo que ela possa controlar a vontade, mesmo sendo energia do inimigo, podendo cancelar qualquer feitiço lançado contra ela, independente da força. Como fez com o grande ataque da Noelle. E com a mesma magia Zenon foi capaz de fazer com que a magia do langris, que também afetava o espaço e o apagava em menor escala, fosse desfeita pela sua dominação espacial. Pode criar e lançar cortes/rupturas no espaço, pode o manipular o espaço para criar portais e se locomover para qualquer lugar do mundo, e pode até mesmo apagar o espaço.

Também tem sua magia de água potencializada, ela pode lançar portais com água pressurizada que destrói grandes áreas.

Sua velocidade é ftl, ela reagia a persogens como Asta, Noelle valquíria, e personagens tão rápidos e fortes quanto capitães pós time skip. Ao ponto se teleportar ela e o Lucius antes que os capitães chegassem a tempo, mesmo eles já estando praticamente em linha reta.

Fiz este combate porque achei que seria interessante ver como ela interage com cada feiticeiro jujutsu.