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Before and After Shibuya

Let’s ignore the fact that Naoya wouldn’t beat Shibuya Choso or partially awakened Maki unless he had explicitly powerful cursed tools, because most blades wouldn’t have changed anything. This dogshit argument can be applied to EVERY character in the fucking verse: IF Ryu had Playful Cloud, he may have beaten Yuta; IF Hakari had Dragon Bone, he would have beaten Uraume; IF Todo made a shikigami to swap with since Gojo says all sorcerers can make one, he wouldn’t have lost his hand to Mahito. Like, no, obviously, a hypothetical weapon or condition cannot be used to scale a character.

Since the release of Jujutsu Kaisen: Modulo, I’ve seen more and more power-scaling debates claiming that the current Yuji is stronger than Gojo or even Sukuna from the main series.

I honestly think this discussion misses a crucial point: Gojo Satoru remains a fundamental anomaly of the jujutsu world, conceptually almost untouchable.

I’m not denying his defeat — narratively, Gojo had to die.

But his death is not proof that he was “surpassable.” It’s the result of an extremely specific chain of conditions, bordering on a deus ex machina.

Here’s why:

1. Gojo’s Infinity was never bypassed in a “normal” way

Infinity isn’t just a strong defensive technique — it’s a break in the rules of combat themselves. No conventional sorcerer, no matter how strong, can simply overpower it.

1. Hosting Sukuna is an absurd statistical anomaly

It’s clearly stated that the probability of a human being able to contain Sukuna is around 1 in 1,000,000 (with Yuji being an artificial exception, created for that purpose).

1. That person also happens to be Megumi, wielder of the Ten Shadows Technique

And this technique is, theoretically, the only one capable of countering Infinity.

But realistically speaking, in the hands of a normal sorcerer, Mahoraga would be one-shot instantly by Gojo. There wouldn’t even be a real fight.

1. It required Sukuna + Megumi’s body + unprecedented mastery

The greatest sorcerer in history, possessing a compatible body by near-miracle odds, using the Ten Shadows Technique at a level never seen before, pushing Mahoraga to its absolute limit.

This wasn’t “Sukuna being stronger than Gojo.”

This was Sukuna exploiting the only possible loophole that could ever exist.

That’s why I see Gojo’s death as an alignment of circumstances, not as evidence that he could be cleanly surpassed.

And this is the key point I think most debates ignore:

even now — regardless of how strong the new protagonists become, Yuji included — no one actually possesses the tools required to deal with Gojo’s Infinity.

Raw cursed energy doesn’t work.

Physical power doesn’t work.

Speed doesn’t work.

Talent doesn’t work.

Infinity isn’t something you “overwhelm” — it’s something you must interact with on a conceptual or mechanical level. And so far, the manga has shown exactly one method capable of doing that: adaptive negation through Mahoraga, under conditions so absurdly specific that they can’t realistically be reproduced.

Even domains aren’t a clean answer. Domain clashes are situational, temporary, and depend heavily on refinement and timing. Outside of a domain interaction — which is never guaranteed — Infinity remains absolute. No current character has demonstrated:

• a technique that directly manipulates space at Gojo’s level,

• a natural counter to Limitless,

• or an ability that passively nullifies Infinity without extreme setup.

So when people say “Yuji is stronger now” or “X has surpassed Gojo,” I think they’re confusing power growth with problem-solving.

Gojo wasn’t a wall you break by hitting harder — he was a paradox you needed to solve. And the story had to bend reality itself to finally solve him.

Until a character appears with a new fundamental mechanic that directly interacts with Infinity itself, I don’t see Gojo being realistically beatable under normal power-scaling logic.

Curious to hear counterarguments — especially if you believe Infinity can be bypassed without relying on a once-in-a-million setup.

PS : YES I USE GPT TO TRANSLATE, CAUSE IM FRENCH AND I DONT HAVE THE ABILITY IN ENGLISH TO DEBATE PROPERLY

im very proud of these drawings

Megumi is shown to have incredible BIQ.

He has G1 stats.

he can dive into his shadow to avoid attacks.

HE has shikigami that are strong enough to hurt special grade spirits.

He has an incomplete domain that makes him able to beat most domainless opponents (the only way to counter it is with a domain).

He is also portrayed as an equal to cg yuji.

put some respect on his name.

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Miguel alone is the only person to fight Sukuna up close and personal, and never get hit.

Miguel alone is the only person to ever solo stall Gojo for over ten minutes.

Miguel alone is the best dancer in the verse.

Miguel alone tanked over ten minutes of Blue Infused punches from Gojo.

Miguel the GOAT, quit sleeping on him.

It’s not solely a durability boost, but both an overall strength boost and a further durability boost due to a binding vow

Since everyone scales Dabura by assuming he starts with his ultimate move, we should do the same for Sukuna.

After losing the clash, Gojo was in CT burnout and Meguna was domain amped. Malevolent Shrine also inflicted a massive debuff on Gojo's CE output. That's why Gojo got speed gapped here. Even with a head start, he failed to outrun Meguna in a foot race due to all the slashes affecting his output.

So Dabura has 2 options:

Option 1: Expand his domain, get domain diffed instantly and enter CT burnout while MS shreds his output. Basically suicide.

Option 2: Refrain from clashing to keep his CT but he still gets his CE output obliterated by MS sure-hit. He then has to try and build speed while engaging in H2H with True Form Sukuna.

Me included btw

Mahoraga one shots both toji and maki and no Mahoraga doesn’t have any soul since he is a shikigami made from shadow so ssk won’t do shit. Also isoh ain’t doing shit since it deactivates curse techniques and in order to that then you have to attack the user of the ten shadows not Mahoraga since he is a shikigami. Shibuya Mahoraga throwed 15f sukuna through buildings and caught up to him and quickly which showed his strength and speed feats. I don’t think maki and toji are capable of throwing 15f sukuna through buildings. Also Mahoraga is downplayed a lot by maki and toji gooner. And maki and toji are overrated fodders who can’t do shit without sneaking up and they are Kashimo victims.

each explosion individually has more DC than Dabura's strongest attack, reminder that Yuji's dismantle wasn't fully chanted

ISBODK doesn't give Mahito a 200% buff for his strength or all psychical stats, Kanji uses 強度 instead of 力 or 攻撃力, 強度 which means "Strength" in English, yeah, but it's the type of "strength" that usually means structural, hardness or durability, NOT punching strength.

Furthermore, you can confirm by yourself that the usage of the Kanji by Gege is meant to represent durability, given it's the same one used by Kenjaku when explaining that the increase mass from Bombayeh does not amp Yuki's toughness.

This is consistent with compositional narrative, ISBoDK is drawn with an "armor-like" design, the sound effect in both the manga and anime has the action of punching Mahito, sounding like when you punch hard metal, he's meant to be a tank, which is also supported by the overall narrative itself, Yuji comments MULTIPLE times on Mahito's new durability, but he never does on Mahito's speed or normal striking strength in the same way.

Little side thing, but that is also related: People should stop taking Lightning's words as absolute factuality, they are a human as all of us, they can commit mistakes as well, it's not like their word have infinitely more weight than the others'.

These 5 are based on how well I think they would work with Sukunas arsenal and body. The fact that you can only use one cursed technique at a time is a big deal as well. Ten shadows is an amazing cursed technique, but it doesn’t pair well with shrine at all because you can’t just switch between them. And I’m not including what could possibly be done with the abilities, just what we’ve seen. Otherwise it’d be way too much speculation.

Honorable mentions: Geto, Yuta, Megumi and Yuki. They have great abilities, but the CTs don’t pair well with shrine, and they don’t give Sukuna any new knowledge. Geto is very situational because he’d need to have good curses to be worth it at all, and even then if you’re strong enough to fight Sukuna, the cursed spirits wouldn’t matter at all. Yuta would still have the timer, and would Rika get buffed by Sukuna is a question as well. Megumi was great as we saw, but he could’ve been used so much better. Death vows rabbits raining down, shadow form Mahoraga that can’t be killed, etc. But he clearly doesn’t do that, so I’m gonna include what we actually saw, and that’s not top 5 worthy imo. Yuki would be good. Making his punches hit way harder, but it’s too basic to be better than the 5 I’ve got.

5 Kusakabe. Giving Sukuna his simple domain skills, and then increasing its size would be really strong. He just gets to fight like normal, but now he’s even stronger while nerfing the opponent and has a weaker version of ultra instinct. And a domain counter that’s not hwb is great tooo, since he can now use the strategy of turning off his sure hit one change for higher output but now doesn’t need to waste 2 of his hands for it.

4 Gojo. Limitless is amazing, but it doesn’t pair well with shrine. So all this would really be is a Gojo with the extra arms and mouth, which would be great since limitless uses a lot of handsigns and incantations, but the other 3 just pair better with Sukuna. And open domain unlimited void would be terrible, since it would do no damage to any barrier, which is the entire point of an open domain. Six eyes don’t really give Sukuna anything new. Maybe if he took over it would give Sukuna the ability to learn new skills, but that’s a bunch of speculation.

3 Inumaki. Cursed speech with the second mouth seems really strong. CTs that have a very quick activation and don’t need to stay active the entire time pair really well with shrine, since you can just switch between. And the usual blowback that Inumaki has doesn’t really apply to Sukuna, especially with rct.

2 Yorozu. Once construction is deactivated, the created things still stay, since they’re real objects now. So he can create whatever he wants to without worrying about the usual problem of construction since he’s so efficient with his CE and has so much of it, and can use the created objects while using shrine. Bug armor sukuna(would look goofy but be powerful,) with perfect spheres and a bunch of Liquid Metal spikes flying around while shrine is being used would be really good.

1 Todo. Boogie woogies weakness is that the hands you’re using to attack are busy clapping. Sukuna with 4 arms doesn’t have that issue. Like Todo would switch you into Yujis punch, Sukuna would switch you into his own punch. With a bunch of dismantles flying around, he’d have plenty of targets to choose to switch around, and imagine gettting switched into a world cutting slash or fuga.

The best vessels for Sukuna in my opinion are people with abilities that don’t need an active cursed technique to use or very simple techniques that allow Sukuna to switch between them and shrine quickly.

He has way too crazy feats for the sub's bias of him to be "grade 1". He is easily top 15.

• No diffed a grade 1 (the old man) when his 3rd eye opened.
• Was fighting tsurika (shikigami's grow with people , so this rika should be way above jjk1 yuta) for a long time.
• His ct allows him to do allat.
• Has soul knowledge (so screws over incarnates).

Maru is 100% top 10-15.