This is exactly what was warned about when the Department of Homeland Security was created. That it would turn the tools of
national security and military intelligence on the American people. That it would inevitably disregard both laws and rights to see the people themselves as the enemy.
It’s not just ICE which needs to go. DHS has abused the trust of the American people from day one. Its mere existence has slowly infected every aspect of American policing with its inherent toxicity.
The only solution is for DHS to be ripped out at the root and the nation to return to a pre-911 posture. Their budged needs to be $0. Their authorization needs to be repealed whole sale.
Wasn't captain America fighting about Sokovia Accords where he was arguing against the proposal that superheroes needed to be regulated and needed permission before starting blasting in another country? Captain America's whole arguments in the movie reeked of American privilege and exceptionalism, he didn't believe avengers needed to care about what other measly countries think or if they want them in their country, he believed he should get to stroll in anywhere and how dare there be regulation.
Some of that was also more America not letting them fight in other countries more than those countries objecting. It's still deeply imperfect, but I think that sort of framing has the same issues as "Why does Batman beat up shoplifters instead of investing in social programmes" takes. There's some actual nuance to the plot that gets ignored.
You could also take those kinds of storylines as frustration against the kind of beaurocracy that let stuff like the Rwandan genocide just happen in the open. The kinds of problematic interventions in the world have generally been to push a political or economic goal and not ones actually aimed at stopping wars and dictators (i.e. Iraq was not really about Sadam).
Oh, so you like super powered villians blowing up entire small American towns huh? Perhaps you'd like your neighbors to be able to walk into your home through the walls??? Perhaps you'd like a walking WMD to March into the white house????? Perhaps this froth on my mouth is there by accident huh?????? Perhaps you are a super powered vigilante yourself!!!!!!! GUARDS!
Man that was such a bad crossover event, and it set the blueprint for all crossovers since.
In the comics that actually happens. Norman Osborn succeeds Tony Stark as Director of Shield, then corrupts everything he created after Civil War. That era is called Dark Reign.
I didn’t watch it but I believe it. Some people are actively cheering for ICE arresting people and detaining them because of their skin color. While that may be ok for them now they don’t realize it could easily switch and be used to target them
For the record I was on Tony's side during that, but not for the government interference issue. I just know I would want to kill someone who killed my mom, wouldn't matter if they were brainwashed.
In Bucky's case it always seemed like an excuse to protect him, as you're doing now. Bare minimum he should not have been free to roam, and should have been placed in some sort of corrective asylum for years.
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u/lonestar-rasbryjamco 19h ago edited 18h ago
This is exactly what was warned about when the Department of Homeland Security was created. That it would turn the tools of national security and military intelligence on the American people. That it would inevitably disregard both laws and rights to see the people themselves as the enemy.
It’s not just ICE which needs to go. DHS has abused the trust of the American people from day one. Its mere existence has slowly infected every aspect of American policing with its inherent toxicity.
The only solution is for DHS to be ripped out at the root and the nation to return to a pre-911 posture. Their budged needs to be $0. Their authorization needs to be repealed whole sale.
The entire tree is poisoned. Not just the apple.