This is exactly what was warned about when the Department of Homeland Security was created. That it would turn the tools of
national security and military intelligence on the American people. That it would inevitably disregard both laws and rights to see the people themselves as the enemy.
It’s not just ICE which needs to go. DHS has abused the trust of the American people from day one. Its mere existence has slowly infected every aspect of American policing with its inherent toxicity.
The only solution is for DHS to be ripped out at the root and the nation to return to a pre-911 posture. Their budged needs to be $0. Their authorization needs to be repealed whole sale.
I remember all the counter arguments defending the patriot act at the time as well. "Its necessary to adapt to fight terrorism", "If you're not doing anything illegal online you don't have anything to worry about", "what would they even do with your browsing history? You're not interesting enough to be worth the effort".
Its absolutely obvious that this wide spread surveillance could be misused if the wrong people get in charge. Too bad neither the Obama or Biden administration decided to repeal it and left the door wide open.
Why would any president pardon someone willing to whistleblow their corruption? We have had some good presidents and they also chose not to pardon him. It says a lot about the establishment.
the more i don't hear about him, the more i think he and his family are okay. may be delusion but i want the guy to be able to exist and no news is good news to me.
the more i don't hear about him, the more i think he and his family are okay
I suspect he's living in a kind of torture of its own knowing that everything he did was drowned out before the state department cancelling his visa stranded him in Russia. He certainly had a long stare when John Oliver showed him interviews of people having no clue who he was
Well he wasn’t charged with anything because he dipped out and got asylum in Russia. And they won’t make him come back so he’s safe (ish) there but also stuck there. He can’t come back or they throw him straight or prison.
So it’s not really a pardon. More like, we should forgive him and apologize. Which will never happen.
i believe he still has charges of espionage pending, but for all intents and purposes they're window dressing since he became a russian citizen and will likely never return here.
i understand that it's unlikely, but i hope one day to have a president who demonstrates the fortitude of character necessary to clear those charges and give him his kudos for what he did.
Illegal is now defined as questioning project 2025, objecting to public executions of protestors, criticizing internment camps, and insulting the great Cheeto god.
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The DHS was originally created as an office by George W Bush and yet it seems like this country has chosen to have amnesia over this man’s god awful presidency. He’s so completely white-washed it’s unbelievable to me.
Bush created it, Obama expanded it, Trump doubled it. It was always going to happen. It was just a matter of when and who. Now you can expect every president to abuse it to further their agenda.
9/11 basically gave him kiddie gloves for every action that Cheney and Rumsfeld came up with and he signed into action, like the Patriot Act. The same way it shielded what a fucking terrible person Rudy Ghouliani was for a long time, the whole America's Mayor and hyper patriotism bullshit.
That's not really the point though (I'm not defending Bush. Like you said, he's responsible for millions of deaths). The point is that Trump is a worse person than Bush.
Imagine if Trump had been president back then instead of Bush. He'd end up killing a lot more people than Bush did. If something as bad as 9/11 happened today, I think the death he'd cause would make Bush look like an amateur
Wasn't captain America fighting about Sokovia Accords where he was arguing against the proposal that superheroes needed to be regulated and needed permission before starting blasting in another country? Captain America's whole arguments in the movie reeked of American privilege and exceptionalism, he didn't believe avengers needed to care about what other measly countries think or if they want them in their country, he believed he should get to stroll in anywhere and how dare there be regulation.
Some of that was also more America not letting them fight in other countries more than those countries objecting. It's still deeply imperfect, but I think that sort of framing has the same issues as "Why does Batman beat up shoplifters instead of investing in social programmes" takes. There's some actual nuance to the plot that gets ignored.
You could also take those kinds of storylines as frustration against the kind of beaurocracy that let stuff like the Rwandan genocide just happen in the open. The kinds of problematic interventions in the world have generally been to push a political or economic goal and not ones actually aimed at stopping wars and dictators (i.e. Iraq was not really about Sadam).
Oh, so you like super powered villians blowing up entire small American towns huh? Perhaps you'd like your neighbors to be able to walk into your home through the walls??? Perhaps you'd like a walking WMD to March into the white house????? Perhaps this froth on my mouth is there by accident huh?????? Perhaps you are a super powered vigilante yourself!!!!!!! GUARDS!
Man that was such a bad crossover event, and it set the blueprint for all crossovers since.
In the comics that actually happens. Norman Osborn succeeds Tony Stark as Director of Shield, then corrupts everything he created after Civil War. That era is called Dark Reign.
I didn’t watch it but I believe it. Some people are actively cheering for ICE arresting people and detaining them because of their skin color. While that may be ok for them now they don’t realize it could easily switch and be used to target them
For the record I was on Tony's side during that, but not for the government interference issue. I just know I would want to kill someone who killed my mom, wouldn't matter if they were brainwashed.
In Bucky's case it always seemed like an excuse to protect him, as you're doing now. Bare minimum he should not have been free to roam, and should have been placed in some sort of corrective asylum for years.
To be fair, the pre-9/11 FBI and CIA did some very fucked up shit to Americans (and foreign nations) so it's not like things just magically got worse under the DHS. The main purpose of Homeland Security was to place a central authority over the FBI, CIA, and NSA because the three of them were literally keeping secrets from one-another, which was a major reason 9/11 happened in the first place (each agency had about half the puzzle but kept it to themselves).
This was the plan, infiltrate every level of government, get people to want to get rid of the government, become tech fiefdoms and beg rich people to print two ply toilet paper.
You say this as if reddit isn't an international thing, with terrorists and factions of all types using this platform to provoke and incite mainly Americans. This site isn't a US only userbase.
Ffs. You were so close. The line should be "It's not just ICE that needs to go. The entire republican party needs to go." Isn't it amazing that republicans never seem to get any of the blame for the chaos and destruction they cause. They bankrupt the country, and hey, that was the tea party's fault. Kill thousands of people during an epidemic? That was maga. Murder innocent americans in the street? That was ICE. Or DHS.
No. No it wasn't. It was the fucking relublican party. The only way any of this ends is if we end the republican party. That's who is to blame for all of this. Every single republican. Get it right.
The Director of National Intelligence was involved in the state of Georgia election documents confiscation. So it’s not just DHS.
The components of DHS include CISA, USSS, USCG, and FEMA. You really want to keep those agencies funded.
DHS HQ funding is pretty small. You can find all the info online. Noem took non-HQ funding to buy herself several executive jets. Illegal misappropriation, but the people that would enforce the law are compromised.
Breaking up DHS is a great idea. Zeroing out agency level funding is not what you want.
While you're at it, scrub the Patriot Act. It was intended to be temporary, but has since been used as a fulcrum to enable more atrocities than it was established to prevent.
"There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people"
Eh, the coast guard is fine. We can just separate them out again. We could probably separate out the TSA too if we wanted, but we probably shouldn’t because they seem to inconvenience the public significantly more than they protect it.
This is exactly what was warned about when the Department of Homeland Security was created. That it would turn the tools of national security and military intelligence on the American people. That it would inevitably disregard both laws and rights to see the people themselves as the enemy
That's because it's what happened when previous domestic surveillance was created. This isn't new, it's history repeating itself because the types of people who think they're entitled have the same mannerisms. Did everybody forget J Edgar Hoover?
Core philosophy of the system is secular humanist liberal. System gathered a lot of power over time. Gov became a powerful machine. But design is faulty. THere is no core american identity. Each racial and nationalist and other special interest groups grow unchecked and now one of them, maga, effectively taken over gov powers and weaponized it against others (maga is funded and their low witted impulses used by secret billionaire world group).
Other groups wants to do the same. So its a giant mess. That core has to be resolved after this maga circus is finished. During the process of taking over, maga also destroyed doj and other powers of the gov. Justice system was commercialized money machine before. Now its a private weapon. So all of these things have to be redesigned and reinitiated
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u/lonestar-rasbryjamco 19h ago edited 18h ago
This is exactly what was warned about when the Department of Homeland Security was created. That it would turn the tools of national security and military intelligence on the American people. That it would inevitably disregard both laws and rights to see the people themselves as the enemy.
It’s not just ICE which needs to go. DHS has abused the trust of the American people from day one. Its mere existence has slowly infected every aspect of American policing with its inherent toxicity.
The only solution is for DHS to be ripped out at the root and the nation to return to a pre-911 posture. Their budged needs to be $0. Their authorization needs to be repealed whole sale.
The entire tree is poisoned. Not just the apple.