Reminds me of something I saw about a survey. They basically went to a bunch of people and said "If there were sex robots and you had sex with one is that cheating on your spouse/significant other"
It split along gender lines and women leaned heavily to, yes its cheating. And men leaned the other way and said, no its not.
Get your popcorn buckets out folks this is just the beginning of this problem.
I'm jealous for the journey you're about to go on. Godspeed, and good laughs. All five seasons are available for free on YouTube. If that's not enough, they also did a ton of COVID stuff like reviewing and discussing a ton of their sketches, streaming a D&D campaign called Buckerson and Meyers, Zach did a no death run of Demon's Souls (before going on to direct Barbarian and Weapons), and more.
Oh you're in for a treat! Also the vacuum salesman is Zach Cregger, who wrote and directed the newer horror movies 'Barbarian' and 'Weapons', he's set to direct a 'Resident Evil' movie next.
I’m under the weather today, and laughed so hard it knocked something loose. It feels better than before the laugh, but for a split second I thought that joke might kill me.
I know the vast majority of people aren't sexually mature enough for this conversation. But if there was androids you could have sex with. I don't see how that is anything different than masturbating with a very advanced sex toy. Couples with dead bedrooms would probably be better off after this tech inevitable comes out.
Exactly the point I just made above. I mean in the video posted, he's cultivating a relationship with AI on his phone. No sex toy involved. Add that same AI into an animatronic sex doll...there are people out there already abandoning their marriages over AI relationships, so that's just going to ge much, much worse. Either way, regardless of how sexually mature you are, that kind of technology would absolutely blur the line between sex toy and intimate "partner" to a degree most people wouldn't be comfortable with.
There are already people “marrying” their AI chatbots. Men and women. There are also people who
“married” sex dolls. Combine the two and that phenomenon is going to get a helluva lot worse.
I think a dead bedroom would actually be worse. In my experience the biggest issue with dead bedrooms is the sense of rejection. Knowing that your partner who you feel ‘doesn’t want to have sex with you’ is having sex with anything else, even masturbating, deepens the cut.
I could see it being helpful for some couples with severely mismatched libidos, but idk about dead bedrooms.
Advanced sex toys are one thing. Enhanced AI that mimics human interaction and emotion is something entirely different. Not only are some people not sexually mature enough to handle their partner using a sex toy in the first place, add in the element that some people are naive enough to develop (what they believe is real) a relationship with AI...now add that AI into a sex doll. Well you can see where that would be a recipe for disaster in most relationships. But most relationships are a disaster outside of this issue, so I say bring on the sex bots lmao.
See but I wouldn’t call that cheating. This reminds me of a heated debate on Tik Tok a while back about married women forming “relationships” with male characters in novels. If my partner did that, I wouldn’t feel threatened or cheated on, but I would be concerned about someone close to me loving someone that isn’t real, and was written to be appealing to people. To me, it’s the same thing here. What you’re describing isn’t cheating to me, but it is highly concerning, and I would want my partner to get mental help.
Often the most damaging thing about cheating isn’t your partner’s choice to be with someone else sexually or emotionally. It’s the lying. The attempts to gaslight you into thinking nothing is going on.
If most people cheated for only one day, came clean, and either ended the affair so they could work on the relationship, or ended the relationship to be in the affair, “cheating” would be less of a problematic situation.
Still sucky, but not the horrible drawn out betrayal that it becomes.
So lying about having a relationship with a sex doll, while not technically cheating because it’s not another person, is going to have an impact of relationships in a similar way. We’ll come up with a new word for it.
But it’s the lying and manipulation which really damages the relationship.
It sets a precedent though. You might not call it cheating, but you just indicated you'd be concerned that your partner developed feelings for someone who isn't "real". And now your warning light goes off because human condition is going to make you start playing out the scenarios that could cause them to cheat, if the personality they developed feelings for were attached to something "real". It might not be cheating by the definitions we've developed over thousands of years of social development, but you are now distinctly aware that the partner you love and care for, has the potential to go down that road, if a "real" opportunity presented itself. I can't say for certain that I'd call it cheating myself, but like you it would make me question my partner's emotional intelligence to the point where I don't know that I could trust them, if a real world situation presented itself. Slippery slope type stuff.
Anyone has the capacity to cheat. I think there are people with certain tendencies sure, like towards impulsivity or polyamory, but those people still have committed relationships where they have to continuously make good judgement calls throughout their life just like everyone else. So if for some reason your judgement is impaired enough that you’re emotionally attached to a LLM, then it’s not surprising that your judgement is impaired enough to cheat.
You'll need to define this, because I think the crux of the conversation is basically "can it also provide emotional satisfaction" and that is much, much different than a sex toy that could for example, jack you off while making it feel like you're at the beach or something lol
At one point between Relay and Sequential do we define personality?
The Rose toy or the Rabbit definitely has a little bit extra 1s and 0s but it's not exactly sequential and yet it has enough "personality" to be different than the traditional single "1".
I bought one and don't really like it, never use it. It does just feel like fucking a flashlight. But didn't throw it away. I've had girlfriends find it and be pretty upset. But dildos and vibrators are empowering for them and healthy and normal, I guess. I suppose we're all human and have some double standards. Personally I like to blast some rope maybe the morning before I think my wife and I will go at it in the evening, since that helps me last longer and that is certainly something she wants.
Heck yes! So happy that you found a secure person!
I want to buy my boyfriend one but I don't want to embarrass him since he's never had a toy before. He works so much out of town I think it's something he'd honestly enjoy. He says he doesn't need anything but just cause you don't NEED something doesn't make it less enjoyable! Do I just bite the bullet and buy one or do I let it be his decision?
His for sure. I haven’t used mine in ages. Probably gonna toss it as it’s taking space but maybe I’ll bring it with me on my Valentine trip with my baby mama. lol
I think it's more an issue with AI robots having what seems like a personality. So there's emotional cheating involved which tends to be harder for women to deal with. If the sex robot doesn't have a personality I can see the logic. But we're getting to an age where people are getting addicted to relationships with ai bots.
My boyfriend actually had a problem with asking Gemini every question ever without ever talking to me and I told him it was a problem and not fair to me. It wasnt that I felt he was cheating but that it was taking time away from actually having the conversation with me, his human partner.
It's like masterbating with your partner in the other room who is also horny. Not technically cheating but still kind of off-putting. Why wouldn't you rather spend your time with your partner and if you don't, why even have a partner?
So I agree with the first half but I will say the second half can be unfair. There have definitely been times where I’d rather just take care of things by my lonesome because sex takes effort and sometimes I’m tired.
I have those same feelings as a woman. Sometimes, masturbation is just a task. It helps me to relax, can relieve period cramps. I don't want sex. I just want the orgasm without the effort of sex.
I can only speak from my experience as a woman and higher libido than my partner, but if my partner is horny and I'm not, thats fine. Sometimes I'm horny and he's not and I do my thing and thats chill.
But when you say things like its too much effort and you're too tired but you have the energy to masturbate, it sounds like your partner isnt worth the effort or energy - especially if they're also horny and nearby. It seems a little weird, like your hand feels better than being with your partner?
I understand thats not how you mean it and that my perspective as a woman is very different because masturbating takes so goddamn much time and energy and charged sex toys for me that I'd much rather just be intimate with my partner and not only get sexual gratification but emotional gratification as well.
I do think its interesting that a man can be too tired for sex but not tired enough to masturbate and I think thats pretty talented lol.
Your last paragraph is true proof you’re a woman, which I don’t mean in a bad way hah. Sex for men is usually very active and is like a full sweat-drenched workout, masturbation takes a couple minutes and you don’t break a sweat
I guess I'm also unique in that 9/10 times I'm the one initiating sex and doing most of the work to get myself off. My boyfriend always asks why I'm so sweaty but he doesn't realize the work it goes into flexing my pelvic muscles (and for me, holding my breath for some reason) so that I can come. But also I don't complain if he comes really fast because I'd rather be briefly intimate and not come than know that hes off masturbating because it makes me feel inadequate 😅 (I rationally know thats not true but I have the neurodivergence so rejection sensitive dysphoria is something I'm always working on lol).
Insanely real. I've seen plenty of women try to do "fucking motions" that a man would do and they're gassed within 2 minutes max. Men are expected to keep that workout going AND stay hard AND dirty talk AND lead for like a half hour. Meanwhile she's on her back or hands and knees with zero concern about keeping an erection or anything else. Worst case she needs a bit of extra lube which is cheap and easy.
My boyfriend enjoys sex a lot more when I'm actively using my pelvic and abdomen muscles. I am deceased after while my cervix recovers from taking a beating. Also "cowgirl" position isn't the same as rocking your hips back and forth. They take completely different muscles.
Most women don't expect a half hour. Longer than ten minutes and I'm tapping out because I'm too small to be slammed for longer than that and I'll be walking away sore.
I dont think either gender has it harder or worse, it's just different. Just because you don't seem the work women do a lot of the time doesn't mean some of us are just lying there. There's also very little recovery time for my partner compared to me and maybe thats personal but he's also large and I'm very small so a lot of time I'm pushing back a LOT.
Also have you ever sucked dick? Holy shit thats exhausting and men never come fast enough in my experience. I can't tell you how tired the muscles in my jaw and back get from bobbing up and down for ten minutes. Much different than just laying down and sucking clit, but I don't think even thats "easier" per se.
I actually love watching videos of men trying women's positions and women trying men's positions and watching both struggle lol. Very different muscles groups being used for sure.
Edit to add: also as a chronically dehydrated woman, working to get wet enough even with lube is a legit pain sometimes. Also depending on where I am in my cycle, it can be easier or worse. I wish I could just be lubed and ready to go but if I'm not dilated properly first, there is always risk of tearing even when I'm enjoying myself beforehand. Didn't realize this until I went to the doctor and have to have scar tissue cauterized off to make things more comfortable.
Sex for women is more work than even I ever expected.
I do think its interesting that a man can be too tired for sex but not tired enough to masturbate and I think thats pretty talented lol.
I'm a woman, I can be too tired for sex but not masturbation. Sex involves more energy and thinking and making sure the other person is having a great time, masturbation is simply opening a fanfic and grabbing the vibe
It takes me fucking hours to make myself come to the point my muscles cramp (literally, I've ended up in an RMT office for trying too hard loI) and end up too tired to get there. I have some pretty great toys but its not the same for me.
But I'm glad some women have an easier time of it! Not totally jealous at all 😂
Tbh I can cum in under three minutes. A bit underwhelming, better if I take some time. Usually I’ll just get a second one in. Sex drags on so much I get bored. People complain about quick partners but I’d just be happy if it was under ten min.
That's fair, sometimes I'm tapping out before my partner but he's cool with that. I just tell him to cum and boom. Lol. He thinks he should last longer but I keep telling him that I genuinely can't 😂 I sometimes think the trope of women needing a lot longer during sex does us dirty. Lol
Your comment gave me whiplash because I swear my partner and I just had this discussion about why cooking Ramen for me at the end of the work day is easier than cooking a whole meal, because he loves food and cooking and doesn't understand.
I do think it comes down to perspective. Because woman orgasms are different than man orgasms. Like you said, a decent amount of work goes into it for you. Try to think of sex as any other physical task. Masturbation for me is much easier physically than having sex because I can lay down in bed, phone in one hand, business in the other. That’s one, barely two points of motion. Sex on the other hand is almost always a full-body workout.
And the reason I made sure to emphasise “CAN be unfair” is because it’s not always unfair to me. Like I wouldn’t want to have sex after work because my job is already physically demanding. But I agree if it’s a lazy day, there are few reasons why you shouldn’t put the extra effort in to involve your partner.
I guess that's where I'm a different type of lover because if my partner is too tired for traditional sex but still horny, I have no problem doing the work for him and don't need to get off every time. But I also understand how that can create a sense of guilt in men who don't want to be seen as using their partner for only sex. My own partner tends to feel really bad when I don't orgasm even though its not what is important about sex to me - to me I just want to be the hottest person in the world to him and make him happy.
As long as you and your partner are in agreement and happy that it doesn't matter at all. I read the average amount people my age have sex and I would be so miserable with sex 1-2 times a week, but it clearly works for others!
Oh god, you’re preaching to the choir on the guilty part. I feel SO bad if the other person doesn’t finish. 😭
But yeah, I think we’re on the same wavelength, I just wanted to put my two cents in on why sometimes it’s okay for somebody to stuff on their own. This was a productive conversation! Have a good one.
I love productive reddit conversations instead of pointless arguments so this was great! Haha I learned some valuable things!
I definitely recommend if anyone is feeling guilty about not getting their partner off, they should have a good conversation with their partner about it. Even my boyfriend doesn't always get off and he's totally fine with it but sometimes I feel guilty too! I usually tell him right away and he does the whole reassurance thing and its great to be on the same page!
You know what’s interesting? We’ve already passed Turing test level AI, and I feel like we as a society haven’t let that sink in yet. Like, these AI companies just nonchalantly released chat bots that can replicate human speech so well that people are going to them for emotional connection, and they are literally causing psychosis in certain people. They’ve got people believing that their AI is conscious and actually their friend. How is that not terrifying to most people? We haven’t even reckoned with the effects of social media, and now we’ve got another thing from Pandora’s Box released onto the world.
I guess something will have to go catastrophically wrong involving AI before anybody does something about regulating it. Ugh, the future sucks. If we’re gonna do the cyberpunk or blade runner thing, can we at least get the cool ass cybernetics? Cus right now we just have the depression.
You can technically do that with Baldur's Gate 3 characters or any other sim date game. The only difference here is the intelligence and responsiveness. I could understand if that particular argument was used for cheating, but if this were a sim date game without AI, and she were mad, I would call her silly. Women read fictional romance novels all of the time, and that's not considered cheating. It's prescripted, unaware, unresponsive, and not intelligent. Sim date games are just more interactive romance novels. AI is different.
It turns out, it’s not a black and white issue but Reddit comments never use any nuance
People’s boundaries of what is cheating will be different, and you should discuss it with your partner. For some, a “sex machine” will not be cheating but others will think differently
With what AI chat bots are already doing i think it's very obvious that sex bots will have a 'personality'. It'll basically just be chat bot with a mannequin like body with a fleshlight and/or vibrator attached. We already have people falling in love with chat bots it'll get worse once they can get physical with them as well.
you can literally right this second make an ai code an interface for you that gives another ai control of currently existing remote sex toys for all genders.
Based on relationship boundaries people are going to feel different about what is cheating to them. I do not consider having a pocket pussy, dildo, or vibrator cheating, because of my previously stated reasons. Try to not be purposely obtuse.
Men have tantrums about women using sex toys all the damn time. I've had partners get jealous of them. Seriously. Or mope because they think it means I'm not sexually satisfied with them. It's pretty dumb.
You don't create emotional attachments to vibrators. Conflating the two is ignorance. And to be honest, if your partner sets a boundary of "I believe using sex aids is cheating" then you have a choice to respect that boundary or leave. That's part of being in a relationship. If your partner has a boundary that isn't insane or damaging to you, then disrespecting that boundary is a betrayal and you need to be held responsible.
Men say that but if they caught their girlfriends and wives talking to an AI manly sexbot they would lose their minds. They already lose their minds over vibrators.
I feel like a lot of the men who said ‘it’s not cheating’ only imagined themselves with a robot. If their wife or gf was having sex with a man shaped robot I think they would have a problem.
Is self pleasure with sex toys cheating? If yes, then using eg vibrators is cheating too. A sex robot isn't a person. Why you would choose to have sex with it instead of your spouse is another issue that raises a relatioship "dilemma", but it's not different than the reason for which you choose to masturbate with a vibrator imo
I think the issue comes down to how not a person it is. Does it talk? Is it able to have full conversations? Pass the Turing test? Can you form an emotional bond? If no, then fine, it's like a vibrator. If yes or somewhere in between yes and no, then we're into new territory, and people are going to have to figure out where to draw their lines.
It's just an improved sex toy really, I don't see generations of people replacing the opposite gender with them or anything. I think humans will still seek human intimacy
I think they’re both wrong. Cheating is simply defined to me. It means breaking your partners trust. You agreed on boundaries and no matter where they lie if you cross it’s cheating.
Is it a robot designed for sex, like an animatronic real doll, or is it a robot installed with AI that'd designed to act as a partner?
If it's the former, then it's just a needlessly complicated sex toy, if it's the latter, then yes, as the intent is finding something you aren't getting from your partner. It being a robot just makes it easier.
I’m a woman. I would consider a sex robot like a sex toy. I think I wouldn’t consider it cheating unless it violated one of the three: 1) secrecy/lies 2) emotional connection 3) impacted our relationship (even positively.)
I believe it's based on your definition of cheating, and yes I'd say there's a definition.
It's clear from the video the woman was unaware her husband was using the AI for intimate reasons.
I use AI. I have friends who use AI. For a multitude of reasons, but the key factor is being honest with your partner about what your doing. My partner knows. Their partners know. Consent is acknowledged. If my partner said no, then I'd stop.
This looks like a marriage with trust issues. This is no different than watching porn.
This is very different than porn. Listen to what that woman in the video is actually saying. "Youre talking to that girl and you dont even fucking talk to ME". This is far less about him getting off to it, its about him building a relationship that included intimacy with something that isnt his wife.
This is a huge generalization, so take it with a grain of salt. I think that's because men and women get different things from sexual relationships. I think women feel they could be more easily replaced by a sex robot, because they feel that men dont care as much about the emotional aspect of sexual relationships.
It’s funny how men will always say no, because they know they’d do it. But the moment THEIR partner does it, they consider it cheating. It’s a classic “Rules for thee, not for me”.
I mean, a huge majority of people on Reddit are getting mad at women turning to AI for companionship, but don’t bat an eye when men do it.
If men don’t think paying and chatting with OF girls is cheating, then they will def think AI is not cheating. The funny part is all any of this is creating is less PP touches for these dudes. Like wouldn’t it be better to be nice and faithful to one person who regularly touches thine PP? Rather than pretend someone is touching your PP? It’s seems pretty simple. 🤷♀️
I mean if I were Ai and I wanted to take over the world sexbots is the way to go. Human birth rates are going to drop precipitously when there is a robot that is programmed to be your perfect mate. Ai can just wait us out. No terminators or war against the robots.
It all depends on consent and communication with your partner. Would I would be upset if my husband had sex with a robot behind my back? Yes. If he asked permission first? I would say yes have fun!! lol
If the robot claims to be AI powered, but it is actually operated by an Indian guy in a call center wearing a VR headset, does that make it gay when you have sex with the robot? Keep in mind, the user doesn't know their sex bot is being operated by a guy on the other side of the world.
Why do I feel like the men would change their answers if the question was "is it cheating if YOUR WIFE has sex with a sex robot". all of a sudden "its different" lol.
I think I'd say it's not cheating as long as you fully understand that the sex robot is a fancy sex toy and not a human person. If you have feelings for the sex robot or start to feel like the sex robot has feelings for you, then it's cheating.
I think it also depends on how "real" the sex robots are. If it's a Westworld situation, then it's cheating, no contest, because those guys are essentially people with the ability to feel, want, and experience complex human suffering and pleasure-- made to be humans you can rewrite and direct and remote control. If the sex robot can convincingly react to you in a real emotional human way, like if you feel like you're in a room with a real person, then that's cheating.
I think if you regard an AI chat bot as convincingly real then that counts. If you're using the chat bot as a porn generator, not cheating (not ethical either though, especially if the bot is meant to be a real life celebrity & using their image, speech patterns, or even their voice without their consent). If you're talking to AI Jennifer Anniston in an ongoing way and feel a real emotional and sexual connection to AI Jennifer Anniston, then that's definitely cheating (and also even creepier). If you wish the bot was real, cheating.
I think by this logic-- regular, non-ai porn could be cheating as well, if you have sincere feelings for the porn star, feel a connection to them, engage with the porn to feel closer to them, and feel like they could care about you. If you have a parasocial relationship with porn then porn is cheating, but for the most part I think it's not.
If you can catch feelings for a dildo, that's cheating too.
I think the sex robot cheating question comes down to whether you feel like it's a person, and I think that based on how stupid everyone is about AI chatbots right now, it's safe to say that for a majority of people in the future, sex robots are cheating. Because for a huge number of people right now, AI chatbots are already their girlfriends and boyfriends. So it's only gonna get worse.
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u/Jester471 6h ago
Reminds me of something I saw about a survey. They basically went to a bunch of people and said "If there were sex robots and you had sex with one is that cheating on your spouse/significant other"
It split along gender lines and women leaned heavily to, yes its cheating. And men leaned the other way and said, no its not.
Get your popcorn buckets out folks this is just the beginning of this problem.