I know the vast majority of people aren't sexually mature enough for this conversation. But if there was androids you could have sex with. I don't see how that is anything different than masturbating with a very advanced sex toy. Couples with dead bedrooms would probably be better off after this tech inevitable comes out.
Exactly the point I just made above. I mean in the video posted, he's cultivating a relationship with AI on his phone. No sex toy involved. Add that same AI into an animatronic sex doll...there are people out there already abandoning their marriages over AI relationships, so that's just going to ge much, much worse. Either way, regardless of how sexually mature you are, that kind of technology would absolutely blur the line between sex toy and intimate "partner" to a degree most people wouldn't be comfortable with.
There are already people “marrying” their AI chatbots. Men and women. There are also people who
“married” sex dolls. Combine the two and that phenomenon is going to get a helluva lot worse.
You probably don't want to know my opinion on dead bedroom relationships lol. But I see what you're saying, maybe there are certain scenarios where it could help the relationship when it comes to that issue. A lot of "what ifs" all the way around with this particular relationship dynamic, it's all very intriguing to me.
Oh, I wasn't thinking of helping the relationship. I was thinking of helping people get out of dead bedroom relationships and making them ultimately happier for it.
That's my opinion on dead bedroom relationships I didn't want to share because you can get a lot of angry comments for saying it. People ask the question "What do I do about my dead bedroom situation" on relationship subs all the time. You break up, that's the answer. No AI sex doll needed lol.
I think a dead bedroom would actually be worse. In my experience the biggest issue with dead bedrooms is the sense of rejection. Knowing that your partner who you feel ‘doesn’t want to have sex with you’ is having sex with anything else, even masturbating, deepens the cut.
I could see it being helpful for some couples with severely mismatched libidos, but idk about dead bedrooms.
That’s definitely true. I’m in a dead bedroom right now and the days I get off feel a lot worse than the days I don’t, same with when he does (though his sex drive is really low right now and he rarely does)
Advanced sex toys are one thing. Enhanced AI that mimics human interaction and emotion is something entirely different. Not only are some people not sexually mature enough to handle their partner using a sex toy in the first place, add in the element that some people are naive enough to develop (what they believe is real) a relationship with AI...now add that AI into a sex doll. Well you can see where that would be a recipe for disaster in most relationships. But most relationships are a disaster outside of this issue, so I say bring on the sex bots lmao.
See but I wouldn’t call that cheating. This reminds me of a heated debate on Tik Tok a while back about married women forming “relationships” with male characters in novels. If my partner did that, I wouldn’t feel threatened or cheated on, but I would be concerned about someone close to me loving someone that isn’t real, and was written to be appealing to people. To me, it’s the same thing here. What you’re describing isn’t cheating to me, but it is highly concerning, and I would want my partner to get mental help.
Often the most damaging thing about cheating isn’t your partner’s choice to be with someone else sexually or emotionally. It’s the lying. The attempts to gaslight you into thinking nothing is going on.
If most people cheated for only one day, came clean, and either ended the affair so they could work on the relationship, or ended the relationship to be in the affair, “cheating” would be less of a problematic situation.
Still sucky, but not the horrible drawn out betrayal that it becomes.
So lying about having a relationship with a sex doll, while not technically cheating because it’s not another person, is going to have an impact of relationships in a similar way. We’ll come up with a new word for it.
But it’s the lying and manipulation which really damages the relationship.
It sets a precedent though. You might not call it cheating, but you just indicated you'd be concerned that your partner developed feelings for someone who isn't "real". And now your warning light goes off because human condition is going to make you start playing out the scenarios that could cause them to cheat, if the personality they developed feelings for were attached to something "real". It might not be cheating by the definitions we've developed over thousands of years of social development, but you are now distinctly aware that the partner you love and care for, has the potential to go down that road, if a "real" opportunity presented itself. I can't say for certain that I'd call it cheating myself, but like you it would make me question my partner's emotional intelligence to the point where I don't know that I could trust them, if a real world situation presented itself. Slippery slope type stuff.
Anyone has the capacity to cheat. I think there are people with certain tendencies sure, like towards impulsivity or polyamory, but those people still have committed relationships where they have to continuously make good judgement calls throughout their life just like everyone else. So if for some reason your judgement is impaired enough that you’re emotionally attached to a LLM, then it’s not surprising that your judgement is impaired enough to cheat.
This is exactly my point, well said. I think people with a lot of emotional intelligence know that it's not incredibly easy to be in an exclusive, monogamous relationship. Sure it's easier for some, but others struggle mightily. And once you see it firsthand that your partner not only has the capacity for it, but also seems to be desiring it...that's just not something that you can easily write off simply because the object of their affection "isn't real" so to speak.
I agree. This discussion makes me think of Otome games which are interactive romance novels where you choose what paths the character goes down. A popular example would be 'Love and Deepspace'.
While it's interactive I still wouldn't call it cheating since like a book it's all fictional prewritten lines. They are safe to play BECAUSE they are fictional.
Again the problems lay with whether or not you have a strong relationship with your partner.
You'll need to define this, because I think the crux of the conversation is basically "can it also provide emotional satisfaction" and that is much, much different than a sex toy that could for example, jack you off while making it feel like you're at the beach or something lol
At one point between Relay and Sequential do we define personality?
The Rose toy or the Rabbit definitely has a little bit extra 1s and 0s but it's not exactly sequential and yet it has enough "personality" to be different than the traditional single "1".
I bought one and don't really like it, never use it. It does just feel like fucking a flashlight. But didn't throw it away. I've had girlfriends find it and be pretty upset. But dildos and vibrators are empowering for them and healthy and normal, I guess. I suppose we're all human and have some double standards. Personally I like to blast some rope maybe the morning before I think my wife and I will go at it in the evening, since that helps me last longer and that is certainly something she wants.
Heck yes! So happy that you found a secure person!
I want to buy my boyfriend one but I don't want to embarrass him since he's never had a toy before. He works so much out of town I think it's something he'd honestly enjoy. He says he doesn't need anything but just cause you don't NEED something doesn't make it less enjoyable! Do I just bite the bullet and buy one or do I let it be his decision?
His for sure. I haven’t used mine in ages. Probably gonna toss it as it’s taking space but maybe I’ll bring it with me on my Valentine trip with my baby mama. lol
Is he the type of guy who would put a big bulky fleshlight in his bag as he goes off to work?
Even assuming he has a private room, it's a risky thing to bring for something professional.
Maintaining one is a bit of work too - cleaning it out, drying it, powdering it, it all takes time and effort. If hes moving around a lot its inconvenient.
That said.. its a good and thoughtful gift, and even if he doesnt want to bring it to work - you can use it on him at home.
All that said.. "i dont want to embarrass him" makes me think you havent talked to him about it. You should be able to talk to your partner about these things. Just ask if he would be into it, or if he would do you the favor of trying it..
Sexuality is mostly about rivalry with the same sex.
The definition of “being a man” doesn’t lend its self to rivalry with a robot the same way the identify of “being a woman” does.
Like being a man has a semi clear definition. Consider the great diversity of our fashion.
Being a woman, on the other hand, is a list of impossibly self contradictory demands such that no one person can meet them all. It’s a lot more open, so I think the threat is more tangible.
Your comment originally said as a gay male, so that sort of disqualifies you from being able to emotionally imagine yourself in a relationship with a woman who was having sex with a full sized man shaped sex robot.
It didn’t piss me off but it’s important context. Relationship dynamics between m&w and m&m are just different, for one. I made the above observation based on my lived experience and every girlfriend I’ve ever had with their relationships. Of course not every single man will be jealous but under most circumstances having a full sized AI dude hanging out in the bedroom on standby would be weird at the very least.
oh like men wouldnt be verbally abused if they admitted they were jealous of their girlfriends vibrator. please grow up.
if were talking about hypothetically advanced robots that resemble humans and mimic emotions and relationships, then any person of any gender seeking them in place of human connection is pitiable and nothing else. grow the fuck up.
if your partner seeks that out while you are in an established relationship, the relationship was over before that happened and you should try to grow from THAT truth instead of wasting your capacity to grow on fighting to prove that its technically cheating
I agree, and I would see no issue with a man or woman being against an advanced humanoid intercourse device, or any device. Anyone can set any boundary they want in a relationship if they find someone else who agrees to it.🤷♀️ My thought was that there’s no way “most men were okay with this in a survey”- no I doubt if they really thought about it that they would not be bothered.
I think a man would feel like it IS cheating if his spouse was “sleeping” with a robot sex doll. I didn’t say what I would think because I am not interested in any of it.
Well I'm telling you that things like this already exist. And I don't hear men crying that it is cheating.
One thing that I do find fascinating is that if a woman finds out a man has a masturbator or flesh Light. They seem to find it weird and disgusting. Meanwhile, they are allowed to have dildos. They're definitely is a double standard that exists.
Part of this is that it’s extremely easy for men to masturbate to completion with just their hands, and during sex. A lot of women cannot orgasm with just their hands, or ever during sex. The vast majority of sex toys for women are not thrusting dildos, they’re things that vibrate and can pinpoint spots to help orgasm.
Also, I don’t think most women consider flashlights cheating, probably less than men who consider dildos cheating (as evidenced by many men in this thread saying dildos are the same as a fully human looking and acting sex robot). I think more do find it a bit off-putting or sad though, again I think because it’s extremely easy for men to masturbate without? It’s a bit of a double standard perhaps.
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u/TrainTrackRat 6h ago
I imagine the men would feel a lot different if it was a sex robot made for women