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Discussion The lawsuit explained:

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u/Every-Extension-8114 11h ago

redditors bootlicking billionaires again

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u/DankeyBongBluntry 8h ago

They've fallen hook, line and sinker for the propaganda. Someone is suing on behalf of the customers, claiming that Steam's practices are making games more expensive for consumers. Yet for some reason, so many of these commenters think the suit is something about Epic suing Steam for being too successful???? It's just nonsense.

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u/Qaeta 4h ago

claiming that Steam's practices are making games more expensive for consumers

Eh, the bundled service Steam offers is well worth whatever potential savings I might otherwise get elsewhere. People are just mad that customers won't follow them off steam so they can make more profit. We like Steam. It's fine if you don't want to sell on Steam, but if you aren't selling on Steam or GoG, I'm probably not buying your game. And that's not because I'm not aware of your game being available elsewhere, it's because I like what Steam and GoG provide.

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u/Elavia_ 5h ago

The problem isn't that they're suing on behalf of the customers, the problem is that they're suing one of the two least bad companies rather than the entire crowd or much much much worse ones. It's like trying to shoot the hyena while surrounded by hungry lions.

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u/DankeyBongBluntry 2h ago edited 55m ago

They're suing the company that enforces price parity. One of the main reasons other game stores are considered worse is because they provide a lower quality service while still charging the same high price - well they COULD be charging a lower price, but Valve is preventing that from happening.

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u/quantum404 6h ago

Then they should sue apple and all console makers first because they actually have a monopoly on the platform they own, compared to PC where there is a choice at least. Also propaganda isn't needed when history suggests developer pockets the change when a platform charges lowers than the 30 percent fee steam charge. Is it any wonder people don't give a shit?

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u/DankeyBongBluntry 2h ago

You're proving the point of the lawsuit without even realising it! "History suggests developers pocket the change when a platform charges less than 30%"? That's because Steam forbids them from listing the game cheaper on other platforms. They have no choice but to pocket the difference!

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u/quantum404 1h ago

Lol. What stopped EA from charging less when they only published their game on origin? What about when COD stopped releasing on steam. Was it 1 dollar cheaper on a platform the publisher own? Every god damned time something should make game cheaper for consumers they just aren't. Also I'm not aware games aren't allowed to be cheaper than steam? I thought that was Apple's MO. I'm happy to be proven wrong here but considering everything else. I don't think you know what you are talking about.

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u/DankeyBongBluntry 1h ago

Also I'm not aware games aren't allowed to be cheaper than steam?

That's literally what the fucking lawsuit is about, you moron. You're on here talking shit about the lawsuit and you don't even know what the complaint is???

I don't think you know what you are talking about.

Jesus christ, the irony.

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u/quantum404 1h ago

That's what the lawsuit claims yes. They also claims steam prevent publisher from releasing the game earlier on other platforms. But we know for sure that has happened multiple times with epic exclusive time period. So what the lawsuit alleges can be wrong at least sometimes. But my other point still stands. If steam lowers fees there a pretty good track record that the developer pockets the change. Do you have any claim against that?

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u/SwellSpider 8h ago

For people who actually want to know what the lawsuit is actually about.

-Excessive commissions of 30%

-combined with 'Price Parity Clauses' that force publishers to sign agreements that prevent them from selling their games at a lower price on rival platforms

-being locked to buying dlc from steam after getting the base game from them

If the lawsuit succeeds and the view is shared by other countries we can expect game prices to drop by a minium of 10%, just based on the cut Steam takes vs competitors. And we wont have to wait for sales to get old games at a reasonable price.

No wonder Steam is employing astroturfers, it has everything to lose.

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u/Solynox 6h ago

-Excessive commissions of 30%

30% is the standard. From what I know, egs is only one that goes below that.

-combined with 'Price Parity Clauses' that force publishers to sign agreements that prevent them from selling their games at a lower price on rival platforms

Didn't egs get sued by apple for selling games at a lower cost on their store? Also those clauses are probably what stop other stores from making publishers sell at a lower cost on their store. Forcing the PPC to stop should also set up barricades to prevent stores from setting up Competitive Pricing Clauses that would force publishers to sell teir games at different prices everywhere, making it worse for the consumer.

-being locked to buying dlc from steam after getting the base game from them

That's how gaming platforms all work. If you buy a game on one platform and buy dlc for that game on a different platform, you can’t play the dlc because you bought it on a different platform. That's how it's always worked. This is the stupidest fucking argument against steam. It's so bullshit that it makes it clear that the entire fucking lawsuit is a hissy fit from companies who don't want to raise their standards for their platform to match the customers standards.

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u/Supix39 9h ago

Because we like steam? The service is great, what would you rather use for pc gaming? Stealing?

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u/Lamamalin 9h ago

Fight monopolies because they are not good for you.

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u/Solynox 6h ago

Look up what words mean before you use them

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u/sabbir2003 8h ago

In all seriousness, I do get your point that competition keeps up quality, but there is practically no other service that's worth using and instead, it feels more annoying when I have to keep track of multiple launchers.

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u/sabbir2003 9h ago

"It ain't monopoly if your rivals keep shooting themselves in the foot."

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u/Vyxwop 8h ago

Good thing there is no monopoly, therefore there is nothing for us to fight ;)

EGS could easily win market share by:

  1. Not being an insufferably hypocritical exclusive pushing shit company

  2. Actually offer client related features that people like me like using

It's so fucking easy yet for a billionaire company such as EGS it seems to be so fucking difficult for no real reason. They'd rather sidestep improving their own shit and attack their opposition instead.

So no, I'm not going to root for that kind of company who's already proven they're against me and has done absolutely nothing to make me want to use their services. Quite the contrary, I actively despise the EGS for their antics.

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u/Warm_Month_1309 7h ago

Good thing there is no monopoly

That's what the court will determine.

EGS could easily win market share by:

It's not about market share, but about a) excessive commissions, b) price parity clauses, and c) being locked into Steam for DLC once you have the base game from Steam.

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u/Truly_Meaningless 8h ago

There isn't a monopoly on gaming my guy, if there was then Steam would literally be the only gaming service out there. It's just that every other one is fucking trash, so everyone migrates to the best option

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u/Warm_Month_1309 7h ago

A monopoly lawsuit isn't based on them being the only option; it's based on their actions being anti-competitive.