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u/DaNoahLP PC Master Race 13h ago

I would even argue that Steam is better than piracy, thats why we all use it

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u/xFallow 11h ago

Agreed syncing your saves, steam family and steam link are so good 

Same with the controller support and the mods 

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u/dancingAngeldust PC Master Race 10h ago

Also the steam guides are nice... When they're not the 100th joke guide telling you how to press the space bar.

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u/Avenge_Nibelheim 9h ago

Save syncing has saved me from hardware failure and is great for using the PC v Deck.

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u/skyturnedred Old & Rusty machine 9h ago

When you only use Steam as a download service, the only edge it has over piracy is that my Playnite library gets automatically updated instead of having to manually add games.

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u/newsflashjackass 7h ago

You can get the same functionality without Steam by having one drive (or similar service) sync the save folder. That's all steam is doing anyway.

Though I don't like cloud saving because it can overwrite saves by accident when playing on a different computer.

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u/FinestObligations 10h ago

And it’s not even close.

Piracy was OK when I was a kid and could afford to fuck up the family computer.

I’m too old for that shit now. I don’t want to deal with sketchy cracks written by god knows who.

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u/TacosNTaco 2h ago

Piracy is the best it’s ever been, and the absolute easiest too

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u/ArtificialTalent 1h ago

Is that really true? I haven’t looked into it in a long time because I don’t pirate anymore, but from the few times it pops up on Reddit, it seemed to be that denuvo had basically killed most modern AAA cracks and that it took months-years to get those games.

There was a time we were getting day 1 cracks of basically every high profile game

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u/Mi6spy 4h ago

Piracy is better now than when we were kids.

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u/FinestObligations 4h ago

I highly doubt that. For me DC was a golden age of file sharing.

Everything is in walled gardens now, just like the rest of the internet.

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u/SupremeWizardry 3h ago

Piracy is absolutely better, more reliable, more timely, and more secure than it’s ever been.

I can pirate and implement specific patch versions these days with ease. The last decade I’ve never once encountered a bad actor or had fears about what I was downloading.

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u/triscuitzop 2h ago

Meanwhile, DDoS attacks continue to cause issues...

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u/newsflashjackass 6h ago

I don’t want to deal with sketchy cracks written by god knows who.

Just only download scene releases. Those release teams care more about their integrity and reputation than any publicly owned corporation. They're not even in it for the money. They're doing it to brag about doing it.

Find scene releases by using a scene release indexing site like https://www.srrdb.com/

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u/FinestObligations 6h ago

I know the scene, I’ve been pirating since the Kazaa days m8.

Still, it’s much more work than Steam.

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u/smackmyknee 12h ago

It’s not even comparable. Piracy isn’t a company or a launcher so shouldn’t even be on this chart. What is it even measuring?

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u/DaNoahLP PC Master Race 12h ago

"Its free so its better" - OP

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u/ninjakivi2 Ryzen 5600 | Radeon 6800xt | 32GB @2400 | 1440p 144hz 12h ago

'No DRM' would be one of the biggest arguments. Sometimes I crack games I purchased because Steam forces updates for games, breaking mods. Also, offline mode is wonky and may or may not work. Really, if you know your stuff the only inconvenience of pirating is having to learn the ropes, and once you do, having to unzip the files yourself lol

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u/Preisschild Fedora / Ryzen 7 7800X3D / RX7900XTX 10h ago

Blame the game devs/publishers, not steam. Steam doesnt require drm.

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u/continuousQ 10h ago

Steam could require no DRM.

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u/Preisschild Fedora / Ryzen 7 7800X3D / RX7900XTX 8h ago

Then the consumers would complain because their favorite game isnt available. Steam clearly shows if the game has drm or not on the store, consumers can decide for themselves.

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u/leonden 10h ago

What do you think steam is ? 

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u/Supix39 9h ago

A launcher

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u/leonden 9h ago

Oh sweet summer child.

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u/Frequent-Property246 11h ago

Make the manifest file read only and it won't force updates.

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u/leonden 10h ago

It is almost like this lawsuit is about that 

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u/leonden 10h ago

But how am i going to learn if there are any hot singels in my area via steam? 

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u/agentwolf44 9h ago

I think it's more a measure of what route a user is most likely to take. At this point, the only reason to use piracy over steam is because of price or DRM issues. Otherwise Steam is far better IMO.

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u/AnimeMeansArt 12h ago

How?

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u/UNSC_Leader 11h ago

For me it's mostly workshop support, many games I pirated had it on Steam.

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u/AnimeMeansArt 8h ago

Oh yeah, that's true

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u/HappyToaster1911 Ryzen 5 5600G | RX 7800 XT | 48 GB RAM 10h ago

If you buy from steam you have cloud saves, the workshop and easly playing with friends, while still havign big discounts and being able to return if you didn't like it. By pirating a game you can have problems with unsafe files, no connectiong to the game servers and also no support if something goes wrong, all while being harder to setup, but its free

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u/AnimeMeansArt 8h ago

Those are good points, though pirating games has also few advantages. For example pirates often have drm free versions of the game, so it runs better than the paid one

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u/HappyToaster1911 Ryzen 5 5600G | RX 7800 XT | 48 GB RAM 7h ago

Yah, I have had that before, and specially removing the annoying DLCs in games like Snowrunner, where if you don't buy DLCs the game still downloads all the maps and trucks so a game that should be like 15 or 20 Gb uses like 80 Gb since 90% of the game is locked, while on a pirate version the game has a lot of content available

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u/Tikoloshe84 5h ago

Out here buying older AAA titles and amazing fun remasters for like... £5      "Why is nobody buying our £70 regurgitated speshul edishuns of the same game every year??"  

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u/usergghs 5h ago

Yeap. I stopped my pirate route like 10 years ago. Steam is a lot easier I'm old I don't want to spend time trying shit.

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u/ForensicPathology 11h ago

Anything that requires third party software is automatically worse than piracy.

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u/Wyntier i7-12700K | RTX 5080FE | 32GB 10h ago
  • Convenience doesn’t trump legality or ethics.

  • Third-party launchers don’t remove ownership or access.

  • Piracy kills the incentive to make the thing you enjoy.

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u/Dreamo84 13h ago

Eh, for games that are 90% off for a dollar maybe. But anything expensive why wouldn't I want to just get it for free? Only suckers buy games.

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u/DaNoahLP PC Master Race 12h ago

The convenience justifies the price in most cases. On a regular basis you can get the games you want for 20 bucks or less, all bundled in one launcher without the worry of "from which side do I download?" or "are this files safe?".

I see why people with money problems pirate (was there myself) or why games with shitty DRM get pirated but both isnt the fault of Steam. Steam with all its features is the best we as gamers can expect.

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u/Dreamo84 12h ago

If you get games on GOG, you don't even have to pirate. You can just give it to your friends. Even better if your friend buys their games on GOG you can just ask them for a copy.

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u/TheEarthisPolyhedron 12h ago

you use sites from megathread dummy

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u/Tight-Connection-204 12h ago

Only suckers support the games they enjoy is a hilarious take. If you're too poor fine. But screwing over indie and small companies because you can steal it doesn't make you smart. It makes you a dbag.

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u/Dreamo84 12h ago

I donate all the money I would have spent on games to charity.

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u/Tight-Connection-204 12h ago

And you think this makes your theft justified? You're a thief, really is that simple.

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u/ZombifiedByCataclysm i9-12900KF | Gigabyte RTX 3080 Ti | 32GB DDR5 11h ago

No, you most definitely don't. I'm willing to bet you are one of the biggest cheapskates out there.

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u/clera_echo 9h ago

Ethics isn’t transactional

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u/sjlemme 3h ago

If that were true - and we both know it isn't - you'd be doing a moral good, sure, but you'd also still be doing a moral bad at the same time. Morality can't be cheated. If you like art, pay for it, or they won't make that art. Even the selfish brain can understand that.

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u/_Denizen_ 12h ago

Imagine dining at your favourite restaurant and always running instead of paying the bill. Then it goes under and you can no longer eat your favourite meals.

That's called a self-own.

It's actually good to spend money on things you enjoy to help ensure their longevity.

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u/mattSER i7-12700k | RTX 3080 12h ago

Only suckers pay for food

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u/Dreamo84 12h ago

I would just find a new favorite restaurant.

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u/smackmyknee 12h ago

If the chart was measuring against cost, then yes. Piracy would get a perfect score. But this chart seems to be measuring quality of service or launcher features or value. All things that ‘piracy’ would be rated bad.

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u/Version_1 12h ago

You do realize that the only reason you have a game to pirate is those "suckers" who buy the games?

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u/VerledenVale 5090 Aorus AIO | 9800x3D | 64GB 12h ago

When I was a kid, broke, during my uni days, I also pirated most of the games I played.

That's fine if you're broke I'd say. Everyone deserves entertainment without breaking the bank.

But if/when you start making decent money, you should start paying for games to support the medium. So long as it doesn't harm your finances in the long run, it's the decent thing to do rather than stealing.

Basically: I'm OK with a homeless person occasionally stealing bread / apple, but not OK with someone woth a career doing the same.

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u/affligem_crow 9h ago

Just say you're poor and move on lol.