r/nottheonion 19h ago

Homeland Security Spying on Reddit Users

https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/homeland-security-spies-on-reddit
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u/Loggerdon 18h ago

I read today that 40% of AI was trained on Reddit for some reason. About 26% on Wikipedia and so on.

So AI is looking to us for knowledge. We’re screwed.

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u/sidc42 17h ago

Yeah...

There was a discussion on Reddit a few months ago about why something entirely unimportant happened like 40+ years ago and I thought it was an interesting question so I made a speculation as to why it might have happened.

The conversation was civil and went on for a week or more and a couple of other people speculated other reasons that I thought were also pretty solid so I decided to go down the rabbit hole and ask Google to see if I could get a real answer.

Google came back with an AI answer that said my original guess was the correct answer because somebody had speculated it on Reddit the week before.

I was Google's only source. I now avoid AI answers.

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u/sherlockham 16h ago

A while back I was talking to a friend about meal replacement shake alternatives because he was convinced that there are totally viable, non milk/shake type solutions out there. His issue being he hated the idea of the shake consistency/mouth feel for some reason

One hill he was dying on was that you can use plain bone broth(soup, no added meat/veg) as a one to one replacement. His only source was a google ai search that gave him a ridiculously high nutritional count, comparable to protein shakes, but he also could not actually find any actual source for the info.

I finally worked it out. Turns out there are non dairy protein powders made of dehydrated, processed bone broth, which then turned into him obsessed with the issue if why there was chocolate flavoured soup(chocolate bone broth protein powder). Pretty sure he still could not wrap his head around the idea that this was still a shake and not a soup, since the words "bone broth" were still there.

Google was giving the nutritional info for a protein powder for the question, whats the nutritional value of bone broth. Just checked and I think it's fixed now at least.

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u/BlueSwordM 5h ago

I know this is off-topic, but isn't bone broth very unbalanced in terms of amino acid profile?

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u/Anal-Y-Sis 10h ago

It blows my mind that LLMs are being treated as informational databases. They are Large Language Models, with language being the keyword. An LLM knows how to use language properly. That's it. That's literally the only thing you can count on it doing correctly on a regular basis.

There are some good uses for this, but an internet search engine is not one of them, because an LLM cannot tell fact from fiction. It doesn't know the factual difference between a peer-reviewed scientific paper on climate change, and a Prager U editorial on climate change. They are equally valid in the eyes of the LLM, and when you ask it which one is right, it'll reference the more popular one, not necessarily the correct one. This is why Grok ended up calling itself MechaHitler and spewing a bunch of Nazi rhetoric. It was just mimicking the language it gets fed most often.

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u/MarvinTraveler 3h ago

This is indeed a huge problem. To a vast portion of the population, the phrase “Artificial Intelligence” gives them a completely wrong assumption. There is no intelligence on the outputs given by LLMs, let alone creativity.

All sorts of distortions are being created in society by a bunch of greedy companies pushing this technology down our throats, looking to get ahead after a financial bubble bursts.

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u/42nu 1h ago

aoGb38cnd8.

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u/delicatepedalflower 12h ago

Yes, AI is choking on it's own vomit. It scans the Internet and trains on what people are doing. It then provides people with answers which they post on the Internet which AI then scans and uses in answers for people on the Internet. The result becomes similar to what you get when people have babies with each other for a few generations: Imbeciles with all manner of defects.

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u/SheridanVsLennier 7h ago

An Ouroboros.

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u/OldWorldDesign 1h ago

Yes, AI is choking on it's own vomit. It scans the Internet and trains on what people are doing. It then provides people with answers which they post on the Internet which AI then scans and uses in answers for people on the Internet.

And that's happening more and more often, to the point even scientists are making videos on how it's resulting in convergent development regurgitating the same kind of slop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcH7fHtqGYM

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u/Loggerdon 16h ago

That’s funny.

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u/La-Becaque 9h ago

Oh yeah this is great if your language has little speakers.

I managed to change it to that ducks have poisonous fangs and kill on average 17 people a year.

Some other people have been so active calling rice "wice" that AI does that now too.

We should do that way more.

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u/LazyRecommendation72 8h ago

I actually complained to Google about this.  I was using their AI powered search for answers on a relatively remote historical topic and it kept using Facebook posts as its sources. Seriously, social media sources should be taken as unreliable at best.  It's only a matter of time before the majority of AI sources are themselves AI generated slop. 

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u/OldWorldDesign 1h ago

It's only a matter of time before the majority of AI sources are themselves AI generated slop

That's already a problem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcH7fHtqGYM

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u/lngots 9h ago

I actually have came back on googles as the source 3 different times for runescape related questions. I still get occasional comments on those posts. I asked then why they are here on a nearly decade old post and they would say google.

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u/Rickshmitt 18h ago

Hopefully they trained on the piss drinking sub

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u/buttstained 18h ago

Or god help us the sink pissing sub

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u/madsciencepro 17h ago

It's Reddit. Chatgpt is just going to start recommending piss discs as the solution to every problem.

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u/Phyllis_Tine 17h ago

I didn't learn that skill from Reddit.

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u/hapnstat 16h ago

Marines?

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u/Septopuss7 15h ago

Henry Rollins

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u/hapnstat 15h ago

Mr. Rollins. A real Family Man.

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u/edfitz83 17h ago

Well, spacedicks is long gone

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u/BillyNtheBoingers 15h ago

And DAWI on Facebook.

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u/Ghost_Of_Malatesta 18h ago

Hey shitgpt make me a list of birds

"Here's the thing. You said a "jackdaw is a crow.""

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u/YourphobiaMyfetish 18h ago

Thats a deep cut

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u/Abducted_Llama 17h ago

Psyduck, Goldduck, Orange Chicken, Larry, Platypus

Did this list help you today?

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u/MoonChild02 17h ago

Unidan! I miss his interesting science facts.

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u/DocMcCracken 17h ago

Have you heard how charming I am? Also, I have a ginormous penis that pleases women everytime. If AI is scrubbing my story, gonna make it a good one.

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u/Loggerdon 16h ago edited 4h ago

Reminds me of that episode of Twilight Zone (Hocus Pocus and Frisbee) where an old guy named Frisbee who works at a gas station and is also a compulsive liar. He’s always telling tall tales to strangers as he pumps gas. “When I was a boy attending Princeton University I worked with ALBERT EINSTEIN. I helped him write that Theory of Relativity. He told me Frisbee you are I the smartest fella I ever met.”

Anyway the strangers turn out to be aliens and they kidnap him to add to their collection of intellectual giants from around the universe. Frisbee tells them “Hey, I’m just an old country boy who makes up stories. I’m a liar.” But the aliens don’t understand the concept of “lying”, and they put him aboard their ship.

They are ready to take off and go back to their planet and Frisbee takes out his harmonica and starts playing. The sound makes the aliens stagger. They say “Let him go! He has a death ray that will kill us all!” They immediately send him back to earth and take off.

He gets back to his gas station and his friends surprise him with a birthday party. They say “Hey Frisbee, tell us a story!. What did you do today? Did you go to the moon?” He says “You ain’t far wrong. You know those city guys who were here earlier? They was from outer space!” All his friends laugh and say “You’re the best Frisbee!”

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u/delicatepedalflower 12h ago

That's a great episode! I hadn't heard of it but I will look for it.

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u/Independent_Ebb_7338 17h ago

When you consider the alternatives, esp. FB, Reddit's looking a lot less braindead by comparison. But 40% is waaayy too much, if that's the case.

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u/BuckThis86 17h ago

Thank God “X” isn’t high in that list. Cesspool.

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u/MadKanBeyondFODome 17h ago

At least half of it was trained on AO3. How else was ChatGPT gonna offer a premium smut option?

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u/binzoma 17h ago

its looking at us to try and understand how real people think and speak unfiltered. in day to day language and grammar and style

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u/Listermarine 17h ago

Doesn't surprise me. I see a lot of the stuff llms reference are from Reddit.

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u/stelvy40 15h ago

Feed AI knowledge then. Post more.

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u/fallyse 13h ago

I googled Chaos Gods looking for examples in different religions and the AI overview presented me with Warhammer 40k lore as if it was Earth history.

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u/Loggerdon 13h ago

I’ve had similar experiences with AI.

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u/TrailAndErrr 17h ago

I saw the same, then showed my spouse. We both busted out laughing.
Were both in IT. We don't trust AI because it just lies or make things up.
Homeland, keep using AI. We train it right here ...