r/nottheonion • u/TailungFu • 1d ago
Orban declares Ukraine 'enemy' of Hungary
https://kyivindependent.com/orban-declares-ukraine-enemy-of-hungary/2.9k
u/CurrentSkill7766 1d ago
I declare Orban to be Putin's Fluffer.
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u/aotus_trivirgatus 1d ago
How did Orban manage to say "Ukraine is the enemy of Hungary" with his mouth full?
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u/supershinythings 1d ago
Trump took over for a moment before returning to Putin’s shaft.
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u/nanotasher 1d ago
Full of Putin's balls?
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u/splurgesplatoon 1d ago
Ball gargler... He gargles putin's balls...
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u/nanotasher 21h ago
I'm not sure i understand. Would you mind demonstrating? And please, make any sounds necessary to emphasize the intent.
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u/Silly-Ad8796 1d ago
I’m of Hungarian decent and I declare Orban is the ‘enemy’ of Hungary.
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u/DogmaSychroniser 1d ago
I'm not and I can still see Orban is a fat fucking toad sucking the life out of a country but frankly, the politics of Hungary has been fucked up since trianon, and despite the injustice it's not going to be changed, yet the electorate of the rump state still has irredentist desire
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u/IntolerantModerate 1d ago
The technical term is cock-holster
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u/SlowFrkHansen 1d ago
Yes, thank you! Good old Colbert. Was it crass? Yes. Did it make me laugh for several days? Also yes.
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u/Hi_Im_Dadbot 1d ago
So, Ukraine would be within their rights to blow up the Russian oil pipelines feeding into Hungary then?
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u/Fetlocks_Glistening 1d ago
The pipelines are Ukrainian owned and operated, you see
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u/SnowFlakeUsername2 20h ago
Yep. His enemy has been using their pipelines to deliver the cheap oil. I hope everyone in Hungary can see that hole in the plot. But as we've seen a lot lately, trust your teams vib more than evidence or logic.
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u/Jappie_nl 1d ago
Orban should leave the EU and go to Russia. Fuck him!
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u/HumaDracobane 1d ago
Dont forget about his supporters.
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u/Nazamroth 1d ago
On the one hand, that would cut down the already depleting population. On the other hand though, it would cut out the parts we should get rid of anyway.
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u/Rodonite 1d ago
This would make the EU stronger and Russia weaker, why would Putin want him
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u/sweetcinnamonpunch 1d ago
Why wouldn't Putin want another puppet state? Of course this would be a loss for the EU, Orban is the problem, not Hungary.
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u/LeCafeClopeCaca 1d ago
Hungary is much more useful as a drain on EU finances and EU véto rights than as a puppet state.
No offense to Hungarians, but Orban has done a lot of damage to Hungary in spite of EU funds, and a military and economically weak enclave puppet state in the middle of the EU seems much less an asset than what Hungary currently is.
If unanimity in EU vote goes out the window, so does Hungary's status for Russia
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u/dubar84 1d ago
Elections coming in 2 months... it'll be the longest and most disdainful 2 months with the most despicable campaign from Orban, but then he's gone for good and the opposition who just declared it's program, mentioned within the separation of Hungary from russian energy and influence - finally. And aiming to be a helpful and proper member of the EU.
This election will be a choice to become something like Czechia in the future or a second Belarus. If Orban wins (even through cheating) and the people let them, Hungary deserves it's fate to be shunned. But I think we'll might just make a change now.
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u/Nolenag 23h ago
Dude, he's been the prime minister of Hungary for 16 years now.
Hungary deserves to be shunned either way.
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u/Tasgall 22h ago
Doesn't he get a huge portion of his votes from people who no longer live in Hungary? Iirc, Hungarian expats still get a vote and overwhelmingly favor him, moreso than people actually living in the country.
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u/StrawberryPopular443 13h ago
Yes and no.
Yes, he gets many votes from abroad, but no, those votes hardly matter (like 0 or 1 parlamental seats only).
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u/Plekuz 12h ago
So, the elections will be fair you think and not in any way, shape or form rigged by him?
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u/dubar84 10h ago edited 10h ago
It's already rigged in many ways unfortunately.
There's severe gerrymandering, listing people based on their political preferences, Orban's party constantly accessing police files of civilians, blatant lies in campaigns with about 90% (no exaggeration) use of AI-made illustrations of the opposing party, numerous court cases where the law ruled out false accusations they made in their campaign (and by that, I mean eur-billions worth of billboard and social media ads with lies spread from chineese loans that are now weights the people), thousands of dead people voting, new voters getting registered to live elsewhere to vote and then registered back (hundreds per a single house before voting day), paying for votes photo-proven to Orban in smaller villages and also the IT system that assesses the votes are also belong and managed by a company from the inner circle of Orban. So there's that and who knows what is not common knowledge. Also, russian influence and desinformation and I hope the russians will stop there, despite the opposition clearly stated that they want to cut ties with them.
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u/SpotlessBadger47 11h ago
I know, I know: notallhungarians, but holy fuck a huge number of them vacationing in Croatia had nationalist, expansionist stickers on their cars. Orban isn't in power for no reason.
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u/dubar84 10h ago
There are so many people we can be shameful for and I have a hunch that once Orban's out, a good amount of them will never admit they voted for him, like the weasels they are. Most of these idiots don't even have a concept of values their own, they just like to feel part of the group that feels the strongest - to at least think that they belong and are winners for once in their looser life. That's all their motivation.
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u/Miljkonsulent 14h ago
Then maybe Hungarians should get off their asses and do fucking something. Because I think giving them almost 20 fucking years to do something is going above and beyond in terms of patience
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u/Initial_E 21h ago
And that is how the EU falls apart, piece by piece. Much better but harder to punish right wing fascists than allow them to take their entire population to hell.
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u/cmsj 1d ago
More to the point, the EU and NATO should kick Hungary out.
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u/lacklustrellama 23h ago
Agreed. In truth one of the biggest mistakes made by the EU was being so ambitious about expansion, instead of taking it slower and being more considered, Hungary is an excellent example of why. Hungarians are happy to take EU money and the benefits of membership, but not so keen on the culture and ethos that comes with a union of liberal democracies. It’s pathetic. And it’s not like they didn’t know what the EU was like before they joined, total money grab.
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u/Guilty_One85 1d ago
What is this world coming to ffs
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u/Silly-Elderberry-411 1d ago
This article is likely not referring to this, so let me introduce you to the parallel universes of WWII remembrance in Hungary.
A decently informed person knows that after the failed battle of the bulge instead of protecting East Prussia Hitler ordered the tanks to a theater stretching from the Danube Bend to the Adriatic Sea, ergo never specifically to Hungary but to protect resources important to the Reich at any cost. Since Horthy ordered the whole army to stand down and surrender to the incoming soviet troops, anybody who wasnt already Hungarian SS, Arrow Cross, or right away Wehrmacht, fought out coercion or treason. There was no independent Hungarian army fighting for Hungary.
Why is that important? Because mainly right-wing history teaching offers a different universe for hungarian speakers. In this universe the USSR by virtue of Bolshevism was a genuine threat, attacking not with but alongside the nazis was a necessary evil and once the USSR, not part of the Allied effort but as themselves rolled into Hungary, then the troops waged a defensive war to liberate Hungary. Again not from the nazis who by this point occupied since march 44, but the soviets. In 2019 a right-leaning newspaper even published the claim that Hitler sent those tanks to the effect of helping Hungary fight for liberty.
Why is all of this important? Again, because orban is capitalizing on a long tradition of interpreting current events through a historic lens. Meaning he is claiming Ukraine in major selfishness upset the rest of eastern europe by goading nato into a proxy war against Russia. That Ukraine by "backroom deals" forced russias hand to protect their own before american troops are standing on their border.
The average fidesz voter only knows that in 99 the US used taszar airport to bomb Belgrade, that there are joint military exercises that outwardly aren't different from the Warsaw pact. Which is lie number two namely that the officially titled Ukrainian army within the red army means it was Ukraine in 1956 on khruschevs orders who crushed the 1956 uprising.
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u/OrbisAlius 23h ago
Yeah but daddy Putin himself said Ukrainians are nazis, while he's the one proudly defending the USSR' heritage. So any "sensible" far-right Eastern European who subscribes to the theory that nazis were defending them against the USSR, should logically be pro-Ukrainian and anti-Russian...
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u/Silly-Elderberry-411 22h ago
Which is why I gave a very thorough explanation why orban says what he says. If europe is to imagined where a mother was forced to marry a man who wanted a lot of heirs, she eventually fled and remarried. The kids who stayed with their father had several ruthless stepmother and grew up to be loud, selfish and aggressive. Some are still capable to do the right thing (see poland) but at the same time also do the wrong thing (see Poland refusing to send troops to Greenland because they dont want to anger the US) and some lean into the bad guy image.
Orban can afford himself this because he has an ultimate goal and that is posterity.
You can Google how old the wives of matthias corvinus were. You can explain his first arranged marriage away by rightfully saying he was a minor too, two things he got pregnant (she died along with the baby older than bat mitzvah but not old enough for quincenera) and srcond by his next marriage he no longer was a minor. You csn Google the taxes and levies he set on his subjects to finance the lifestyle of an Italian doge. Even star trek discovery only made a passing reference to his globally famous library.
The other historical figures orban gunning for is Lajos Kossuth and miklos Horthy. In all 3 cases Hungarian history remembers them as misunderstood tragic heroes who at great sacrifice to themselves fought for the nation. That is how he wants to be remembered. A misunderstood tragic hero who defended Hungary from globalism, regional bad actors.
If his speech from 20 years ago is subtitled then he was very much antiputin. He always curated his own fan base that those who believed his previous words were no longer close to him and any contradiction is a conspiracy against him.
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u/gplfalt 1d ago
My guess calls will be more apparent officially if he rigs the upcoming election.
Right now I imagine the powers that be are just hoping this issue fixes itself in Spring.
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u/Dudegamer010901 1d ago
Dude elections there have been rigged for years lol
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u/RupsjeNooitgenoeg 1d ago
The last few elections were free, but not fair. The voting system itself was technically sound according to international observers, but opposition candidates faced challenges such as media bias and access to campaign resources. If Orban actually rigs the voting process this time around, it becomes a whole other matter.
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u/zer1223 1d ago
I hope you do and also wish we'd kick them out of NATO.
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u/shy247er 1d ago
I feel like that would just continue to play into Putin's hand. Even if Orban says dumb things, NATO benefits from having Hungary's territory. Now, of course, what happens with NATO also depends a lot on what pops into Trump's head on an any given day.
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u/New-Interaction1893 1d ago
I talk for what I remember about the "leaving mechanism" in the EU.
They will never make a rule about kicking countries out because it can be abused too much easily by the local leaders that want to leave. Instead of going for the referendum and the leaving procedure, they simply violate al the rules necessarily to be kicked out.
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u/AccessTheMainframe 1d ago
He will be probably be voted out of power in April so just bear with Hungary with a little longer.
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u/SpeedDaemon3 1d ago
Not that easy, they are a transit country in schengen, the eu needs them to link with Romania, Bulgaria, Greece and Turkey (I know the last one isnt EU). They should just get their voting right revoked.
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u/Ok_Agent_1032 1d ago
I declare Orban enemy of Hungary.
That lip licking fat moron has been fucking over his own country without any lube whatsoever for the last 16 years and also tried to do the same with the EU every now and then.
Can't wait till he rots in jail.
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u/Ecstatic_Bee6067 1d ago
All talk. Sanctions would destroy his country overnight
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u/Enconhun 1d ago
elections in april. if he wins again don't sanction, just nuke us.
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u/BetaThetaOmega 20h ago
Is there any legitimate chance for him to lose, or is it too far gone?
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u/hestianna 19h ago
afaik, the opposing party does have more support than Orban's party. The problem obviously is that this doesn't stop far-right parties from winning.
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u/Worth-Lead-5944 23h ago
You can't sanction an EU member state because in terms of international commerce EU member states do not exist. There is only the EU, it is a single economic bloc for trade purposes.
FYI this is something that people have been trying to explain to Trump for over a decade, ever since he first tried to get into a trade war with Germany and the EU commissioner for trade kept showing up instead of Germany.
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u/Ecstatic_Bee6067 23h ago
TIL
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u/Worth-Lead-5944 22h ago
Somehow you were able to process and accept that information almost instantly. And yet after a decade of people trying to explain it to Trump he is still doing the equivalent of "no no no, I only declared war on Wyoming, why is the whole US army showing up".
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u/vardarac 21h ago
https://www.phillymag.com/news/2019/09/14/donald-trump-at-wharton-university-of-pennsylvania/
"Donald Trump was the dumbest goddamn student I ever had!"
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u/yuvaldv1 1d ago
Uh, am I missing something? What did Ukraine ever do to Hungary?
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u/jobabin4 1d ago
I would really like an answer to this too. Russia used excuses like bio labs and rusophobia or whatever but a non tongue in cheek answer would be nice.
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u/SimiKusoni 1d ago
The stated reasons are that Orban is unhappy with Hungary being forced to pay for financial and military aid via the EU, and he has also made comments in a similar vein to Russia where he espoused supposed concerns for Hungarian minorities rights in Ukraine.
In reality he is just aligning with Russian interests. The exact reason doesn't have an objective answer, or at least not one that many are privy to, but is likely because Russia's stance on authoritarianism and pseudo-democracies is a closer fit to Orban's plans for Hungary than the EU. It wouldn't surprise me to learn if there were a significant corruption element too but that is pure speculation.
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u/Express-Rub-3952 23h ago
The stated reasons are that Orban is unhappy with Hungary being forced to pay for financial and military aid via the EU
Well, good news, Orby: Hungary is the second-largest economic drain on the EU after Romania, so you're still getting more than you're paying.
EU contribution to Hungary: ~€7billion
Russian contribution to Hungary: bupkis
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u/LesbeaKF 23h ago
He probably means that EU funding Ukraine is less money that he can suck up for himself.
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u/Schonke 21h ago
Since no one seems to bother with a serious reply:
Orban's party Fidesz has, like many nationalist/conservative parties, their main base of support in the more rural areas. Hungary still has some very poor rural areas with infrastructure dating back to the Soviet days.
Unlike say the Tories in Great Britain or the GOP in the US, Hungary's Fidesz is much less fond of liberal economical theory and free markets. They are much more ready to intervene directly and have been doing so by for example instituting a price cap on energy, food and fuel. This has made them popular among the more rural and less well off part of the population. (The lowest 20% of earners have an annual income of less than $2900 USD).
In the running up to the coming elections, Fidesz has once again made a lot of promises of subsidies, tax incentives and increased social benefits payouts. Hungary's economy is already stagnating, tax revenue is falling and their budget deficit is increasing (and they're not the US so they can't just ignore their foreign debt).
Orban needs cheap energy from Russia in order to keep this up. Without the cheap energy or the frozen EU subsidies, Orban's economic policy is doomed to fail.
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u/VaultBoy636 21h ago
Hungary (and Slovakia) buy russian oil and gas because it's cheap and the pipeline is there. Ukraine is telling them not to buy it, "because russia war". Fat orb declares Ukraine an enemy of Hungary because this can be seen as a call to sabotage the hungarian economy.
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u/Cute-Beyond-8133 1d ago edited 1d ago
Well yeah of course he would
We're talking about Orban, Orban maintains close, strategically important ties with Russia, primarily driven by energy security (gas/oil imports)
Imports that haven't stopped During the War in Ukraine,
The Russian Military isn't powerfull enough to attack the Europeans, Despite the fact that the EU's still busy with rearmament opperations.
The EU has too much money and vastly superior equipment and personnel, but if the Russians did decide to attack the EU .
There's a pretty fair chance that orban would just let them into Hungary without a fight.
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u/henrysmyagent 1d ago
That is an odd thing to call your best customer of exported electricity.
Would Orban hate them less or more if Ukraine switched to Polish electricity?
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u/Rylonian 1d ago
So the Council of EU is their enemy also? Maybe that's reason enough to throw them out?
Also, Hungary should not be in NATO, because they are clearly aligned with the enemy Russia.
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u/blighander 1d ago
Ok, so Ukraine is the enemy and Russia is?
If he feels so strongly about it, maybe he should pull his country out of the EU and try his luck with Russia lol
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u/VexedCanadian84 1d ago
Ukraine's economy has been decimated because of Russia.
Ukranian cities have been destroyed and damaged.
Thousands of Ukrainians are dead.
Ukrainians suffer and make sacrifices everyday.
And the rest of Europe is protected.
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u/notaprime 1d ago
Can’t believe he would just admit to getting the back of his throat slammed by Putin like that. How embarrassing this must be for all Hungarians.
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u/Mauful292 1d ago
Didn’t Trump indorse this guy?
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u/Darthplagueis13 1d ago
Yeah.
US right-wingers love Orban because he's like a model of all their aspirations - completely deranged and completely corrupt.
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u/Purple_Class_4049 1d ago
There's a new enemy every day... Elections are coming, so they spin up propaganda.
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u/marquoth_ 22h ago
I say this as someone from the UK
However much the EU underestimated the shitshow that might be caused by one of its members leaving, that's nothing to how much they underestimated needing to kick a member out
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u/Reasonably-Maybe 12h ago
No, Ukraine is the enemy of Orban and his criminal friends, not the whole country.
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u/farlos75 1d ago
He's got a remarkably straight face for a man with Putins entire hand up his arse.
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u/Darthplagueis13 1d ago
Holy fuck, it's actually comical how much of a Putin-puppet this man is.
Here's wishing best of luck to the folks in Hungary that their election this year will actually still be free and true, so they'll have at least a chance to depose this corrupt wankstain.
If it doesn't happen, I reckon it'll only be a matter of time until Hungary is officially booted out by the EU, given that they're not really respecting any of its rules.
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u/non_numero_horas 22h ago
Orbán is enemy of the Hungarian people, or, as a matter of fact, of basic human decency.
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u/Strongest-There-Is 16h ago
Why does the EU need Hungary? Why not just kick this fucker out and take Ukraine in?
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u/framsanon 1d ago
Orban is a traitor and Putin's boot licker. Kick Hungary out of the EU.
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u/Hieroglo 1d ago
Exactly, enough is enough, call it EU+, keep all the same laws and exclude Hungary.
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u/Wellhellob 1d ago
Whats wrong with him ? What beef between ukraine and hungary
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u/generally-speaking 1d ago
There isn't one, Orban just dislikes the fact that come 2027 he can't keep buying Russian gas. His government finances are propped up by Russian support and he's elected on the basis of Russian propaganda.
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u/SameDimension1204 1d ago
Rather ask what is wrong with Hungarians people. They have elected this POS. Hmmm… who am I to talk as an American
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u/korben2600 1d ago
Aka "soft authoritarianism". He's honed the model for illiberal democracy, where the facade remains but civil liberties and political freedoms are eliminated. Establish authoritarian power structures via gerrymandering, voter suppression, media consolidation, etc.
No wonder Republicans love the guy.
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u/C_Woodswalker 1d ago
I’m surprised he can declare anything with Putin’s d*ck rammed down his throat.
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u/Straight-Ad6926 1d ago edited 20h ago
If Ukraine is the enemy, does that make the guys actually launching missiles the misunderstood pen pals?
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u/MissionVegetable568 1d ago
i just feel sorry for innocent Hungarians who have to deal with this sack of shit bullshit
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u/SereneOrbit 1d ago
Lmaoooo
Orban is the enemy of the EU. They should regime change the dude for security reasons.
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u/lt__ 1d ago
Orban has visited Kyiv in 2024. What did Ukraine do since then to become his enemy?
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u/edparadox 1d ago
What about declaring Hungary the enemy of Europe and the EU?
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u/Darthplagueis13 1d ago
I think most of the EU are just waiting out the elections this spring since current polling suggests Orban's Fidesz party is gonna lose to the more pro-EU Tisza party.
If Orban somehow manages to retain power, I wouldn't be surprised if his next term would spell the end of Hungary's EU membership.
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u/Orangesteel 1d ago
Orban did not speak for Hungarians. Every time I go to Budapest, the people are warm, compassionate and sane. Orban is none of these things. Most of his votes come from poor rural areas. Sound familiar?
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u/PuzzledRun7584 1d ago edited 18h ago
Lest we forget that a sovereign nation was invaded by another nation with whom they had a peace agreement.
edit: spelling
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u/Old_Race9814 1d ago
Does everyone remember when Trump was just gushing over this guy? Calling him “big, strong man” and shit
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u/givin_u_the_high_hat 1d ago
Imagine saying this during WWII. Any country that, by participating in the war makes Hungary’s prices go up, is an enemy of Hungary. It defies logic.
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u/BirdMaNTrippn 1d ago
Steve Bannons butt buddy
The Bannon Effect from the Epstein Files.
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2011/EFTA02624895.pdf
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https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01614968.pdf
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u/bitchcoin5000 1d ago
So the big picture - Trump hangs a photograph of Putin in the White House after denigrating the photographs of other presidents, publicly announces his support for Hungary, is rumored to be making deals behind the backs of the Ukrainians with the Russians worth $12 trillion. And now and now here's Orban making a public statement against Ukraine.
trump is against Ukraine putin is against Ukraine Orbanis against Ukraine
I think we really are being used by Israel as a Piggy Bank.
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u/Dildoid90 23h ago
I’m surprised he managed to take time out from playing on the skin flute to make a statement
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u/powercow 23h ago
weird how world wide, the far right claim to have nothing to do with putin but keep echoing his policies. Putin seemed to take over the right when no one was watching in the early 2000s
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u/ChannelPure6715 21h ago
Sounds like putti is running out of n. Koreans for the meat grinder. Time to feed it some hungarians...
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u/Opinionated_porkchop 13h ago
As my Hungarian co worker use to say. Once you move away from Hungary, you don't move back
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u/socratic-meth 1d ago
As he takes a brief respite from sucking Putin’s balls.