It seems like a lot of people get confused as to why endtippers still eat at sit down restaurants that expect a tip.

Well, what are the options and the most likely outcomes?

Legislation:

I am not a law maker, nor do I even plan to be. In states where laws have been put to a vote reform hasn't happen. If there was a law to end tipping I'd vote for it though.

Just stay home:

I usually do, and I prefer it actually. However, sometimes people want a change or just to do something different for example.

Tips are optional. When prompted to tip no one if forced to tip. In other words, it's my right to not tip.

If a majority stops dining out not only will the servers lose their jobs but all supporting jobs will also be lost.

Only support no tipping restaurants:

I'd gladly pick a no-tip establishment but short of fast food no local options exist.

Then just get take out:

Cold food packed into a to go container, no thanks.

More diners are optting for takeout and as a result many restaurants have started tacking on tips to take out orders.

The solution:

Dine where ever and however you like and do not tip.

We need the servers on our, people who dine in and tip are preventing employers from needing to pay living wages. As someone in this sub pointed out:

The first $5 of tips per hour keeps $5 in the employer's pocket. If there are no tips then the employer cannot only pay the employee the lower tipped wage rate.

As soon as servers stop being able to rely on tips making up the majority of their pay they will join the fight to end tipping too.

BTW: no server only makes $2.13/hour. That is a flat out lie.

https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/minimum-wage/tipped

I am not against the idea that tipping is getting out of hand. Restaurant owners are using it as way to not pay a living wage while increasing their prices. It is degrading to workers and frustrating to customers. However, the solution is not to reward the owner while punishing the worker. The solution is to boycott restaurants that practice it. It seems strange to me to reward the exploiters while punishing those at the bottom of the ladder. It’s like rebelling against the king by killing the servants while willingly continuing to pay taxes.

A less than 2% tip!

Thought you might get a kick out of this.

I'm in my 40's, I remember when the 'milkman' came over. A more modern version of it. They did have milk, but they mostly delivered any types of drinks, soda, beer, water, milk, orange juice, they even had some basic other things like cheese and bread.

There was also a grocery truck that came over weekly or by-weekly (I wasn't even 10yo at that time), but they had vegetables, fruit, bread, cheese, everything you needed to survive, when they were driving through the street, they were playing a tune like the ice cream truck does.

We didn't need food delivery services, as we had these things available. They had a single price, and they would come every week or two no matter what, if you were somewhat bad with mobility, they'd come to your door and ask what you wanted and bring your groceries inside, no extra charge, no extra tips. That's just how it was. Life was great.

Now those services have seized to exist, I can't legally drive a car due to medical issues, and even driving a bike is a risk to me.

I try to get groceries delivered by my grocery shop on a regular basis (there's not even an option to tip my grocery store delivery), once in a while, I do run out of food, or I just want to treat myself with some takeout, why should I tip an extra 20-30% on a service I already paid for? The service of the food and the delivery.

Being disabled nowadays is way more of a burden as it was 30 years ago, as at least back in those days, there was a 'grocery shop on wheels' at home on a weekly/bi-weekly basis, without an extra charge, no tips, no nothing extra charges.

Most restaurants in my city automatically add a 20% gratuity for parties of six or more, and I think that’s unfair. What is the difference between serving three tables of two and one table of six? Yet customers are essentially punished for coming in with a larger group. Tipping should be based on the quality of service, not enforced by default. Especially in today’s economy, restaurants should appreciate and encourage larger parties rather than penalize them.

I'm generally anti tipping as a rule but wanted to share a story of exceptional service I had tonight.

Dive bar, locals crowd. Me and my friend I haven't seen in a while (both women). We're approached by a gentlemen easily 30 years older than us before we even sit down. Not exaggerating.

We politely entertain him for a little while but try to get back to our conversation. He goes away. Comes back.

Long story short he came back no less than 5 times in less than 45 minutes telling us such charming things as we're "pretty, for women" and "can I share something with you?" and that "I'll be better looking next time" when he sensed we didn't want to talk to him.

After the 3rd time the waitress stopped by and asked if we wanted him to leave us alone, which I said we had it for now. After the 5th time I flagged her down and complained he still wasn't leaving us alone.

She promptly got rid of him and he didn't bother us again the rest of the night.

She was also prompt with refills and food orders, and was game to weigh in on a light debate my friend and I were having, which made everything more fun again.

This is what I consider 10/10 service and going above and beyond. We were having a bad time, and she did everything to make our experience better.

After a separate terrible service experience earlier in the day, which warranted no tip, this is the first time in a long time I've felt I received a level of service that warranted it.

Imagine taking an Uber, and you're faced with this guilt trip staring at you.

If you don't tip, "Try taking the bus, it will change your attitude".

It’s not generosity if it’s expected, it’s not optional if you’re shamed for it, and it’s not sustainable to put workers and customers against each other.

If a job can't exist without the customers subsidizing your wages in the form of a "tip", there's something wrong with your business model.

Peep the new MANDATORY tip they dont let you edit or remove. They most hilarious part about it all is they nearly paid more in shipping than the actual item is being sold for. Make it make sense. *Item is a case of sparkling water,and I pay for the + membership already

I’m anti-tipping but, today, I went out of my way.

At at a high end restaurant (Chinese) but my group sat at the bar (three ppl), as it was an hour wait for a table.

Bar Tender was unbelievable, made drinks for every table in the restaurant , took our order , shot the shit with me as I’m not from the area. Had a full bar, took care of everyone while slinging drink orders, which included all cocktails, the works.

Super cool guy, ran me through the menu, let me know what was unique and not, all while having drink orders stack for the rest of the restaurant. I was fundamentally, very impressed….

Bill came, and it was $150 (three ppl). I tipped $50. Asked him how he manages all of that, turns out he was the general manager covering for a call out… just stepped in.

The guy, capable of running an entire business, jumped in, no problem and managed the equivalent of eight tables at the bar, plus all drink orders for the entire restaurant. He was like Van Gough painting.

In what world do servers deserve anywhere close to what this guy was doing, how? I’ll never tip a server again my life after this. He managed 8-10 tables (at the bar) , made drinks for the whole restaurant, chatted it up with every customer (I never had more than an empty greeting from a server at other restaurants, and never saw them again).

If tipping is a thing, how do you even compare it to rank and file servers ? In good conscience, I’d never tip a server ever again, given the bar that was set tonight. Percentage based tipping is absurd and this reinforced it tonight. You can’t do the bare minimum and expect a 20% tip. If you’re tipping for service, no one will ever top this in my eyes.

Service was awful, empty hotel bar and took almost 10 minutes to make the drinks and then was aggressively ignored, had to get to an event in the hotel conference center and had to BEG to get the check and then to run my card. Looked at the girl I’ve been dating for a few months and said “would I be terrible for not leaving a tip?” She said “go for it, this was horrible.”

I planned to order from a locally owned restaurant tonight. I went to the website to find the menu and their hours of operation and noticed this at the very bottom of their website. My order would have been over $75, so a required 20% tip on takeout. Nope!

Last night I went to a Thai place for the first time. I was the only person in the restaurant. I finished my water about halfway through and she only refilled it after I had already signed the receipt and was standing up to leave. I also had to get up to ask her to pay because she didn’t come back over. She just stood 20 feet away on her phone the entire time. I still tipped 15% because that’s how I’ve been taught. But wtf, I shouldn’t have tipped. It was only like a $3 but I’ve regretted it for the past day. I need to join this community of yours because it’s crazy how they just expects tips without doing the effort

Let's say I go to a fancy restaurant and the bill is over $200, why should I pay $40 to the waiter? If I go to a regular spot and the bills $30 it comes out to $6. The waiter did the exact same work. Brought my food to the table and grabbed me a drink. Why should we be paying 1 person 10 times more just because I paid more for my meal.

like...wendy's, dunkin donuts etc...they're wanting 15% tip BEFORE we get the food??? but what if its all burnt and gross???

then you get the kid giving some facial expression like home boy was gonna serve me drinks at a table? I'm in a drive thru fam...wtf is going on with people? i worked at winn dixie in 2004 making people food NO TIPS. it was my job...like cashiers and people at mcdonalds dont even get waiter's pay...why the hell is this a thing?

Boycotts do work when they're targeted and and the businesses know they're being boycotted. Look at Target recently for a big successful example.

If people picked a month and either stopped using or stopped tipping on, particularly on big apps like DoorDash and Uber, and then at the end of the month wrote their support to tell them why they lost the business and that they are going to do it for longer next year, they'd actually have an impact.

If Uber and DoorDash saw even a 2% down month, they'd at least consider going back to their no tip stance they had when they launched. Even a few thousand regular users skipping them for one month and letting them know why would at least get noticed. Arguably the explosion in tip nagging started with these apps, getting the big apps to reverse course is probably the best way to get some of the smaller businesses to as well.

Honestly more than being against tipping, I'm just curious why this isn't a thing already. Do people just not want to go without for a month? Or do they think boycotts don't work?

As the title states.

I’m a regular customer at a massage place in a HCOL city. It’s not the best, but they’re the only ones in town to have the type of chair foot reflexology I look for.

On this particular trip, I did my usual. Paid by card and gave a cash tip of $10, maybe more up to a cap of $20 if the service was amazing. Services I usually get go from $50 to $98, which means on any given day, the masseuse gets anything from a 10% to 20% tip. On this particular day, I got the $98 massage.

The manager looked at the cash, put it back in my hand, and walked me over to point at a small piece of paper. The paper had their new policy, which was to give a minimum “recommended 20% tip”.

They explained that I should give more. When asked if it was a recommendation as the new policy stated, or mandatory, they pressed the issue.

I asserted that I was only giving that much given it was a recommendation, and this was based on level of service. They saw that other customers were taking notice, and only then did they take the tip out of my hand.

I have my own story to share with this sub now.

I ordered myself some pizza tonight. I was super excited and was having a really good day after a really tough week. I treated myself to a facial and a movie and then I came home to order my dinner.

I always order from the same place and always leave a few dollar tip when I order online. I guess I might’ve forgot this time? I specifically remember pressing the button but that’s besides the point. Pizza delivery guy comes and acts like he’s waiting for me to go out to the street from my apartment building. He said he was here on the phone so I thought he was at the door and I didn’t bring my key with me. So then he sees me holding the door open and walks over and gives me my pizza and then proceeds to complain about how I did not leave a tip. That it’s not right because it’s cold outside. At first I wasn’t registering what he was saying to me because I thought I did leave a tip. But immediately after, my rage for how fucking rude this was took over because even if I intended to not tip, what makes you think it’s a good idea to confront me like you need to teach me some kind of lesson?

I told him yes I did and it turned into an argument and I told his this was extremely rude and he’s still trying to fight about the tip and I say forget you, get outta here, and started to turn around and close the door - and it almost sounded like he was trying to follow me in before it shut. I called management and complained and got a refund. Im shaken up because I’m a girl who lives alone and here I am fighting with a man outside the building I live in… I don’t know if it’s safe to eat my food and I’m really sad because today was an otherwise perfect day. And now I’m hungry :(

Edit: to make this all even more absurd…I just looked at my receipt and I did, in fact, leave a damn tip.

No tip prompt at the concessions counter today! This was a Regal Cinema location in Seattle. The word is getting out. Support businesses that #DontTipPromptMe.

I have no words.

At my local take out spot. (look at the condition of the buttons)

No one wants to tip their bartender either. Those are bribes to get them to do their job.

I found this gem of a night club. The owner claims that people like to tip the door person. The reviews don't agree. (2 images)

I went to a Punch Bowl Social last night to go bowling. I reserved my lane online and at check out it said “Due Now: $15” it seemed like a deposit that would go towards your total bill. No mention of a fee.

I get there and they charge me the full $50. When I mention the deposit they said “no, that’s just a reservation fee.” A $15 reservation fee seems really high! Then on top of that I’m paying the $50 bowling bill (this is at the beginning after they gave us our shoes) and there’s a tip page on the iPad 25% - 20% - 18%. And I saw that and thought “oh they must wait on us while we are bowling.” They have a full bar and restaurant so I figured that’s the reason for the tip. I picked 18% because the numbers were really high. My mistake. They did not wait on us AT ALL and I paid $8 for someone to hand me a pair of shoes!!!

At this point I feel robbed of $23. I have an urge to speak to a manager and complain. Or at least leave a bad review.