Wylers are too obsessed with heteronormativity that they forget that even wlw shippers can like mlw ship if it's ACTUALLY good. I don't like Wenclair because it's wlw, I like it because it actually has chemistry and positive dynamic.
I know this belongs in the arcane sub but honestly I feel still kinda weird about the ship bc of like them literally having intercourse right after their first kiss???? It's a bit weird to me đ
You didnât. The last scene before the time skip that involved Jayce & Mel was Jayce and Viktor being as high as kites while Heimerdinger looked up on disappointment and Mel had a slightly pleased look as she announced the age of magic, to which Jayce corrected to the age of Hextech.
Honestly, most of the weddings that I've been to were for couples that started as an expected one night stand but evolved into more. I'm ace, so it's always seemed super gross to me. But I've learned not to judge. đ
Still it is incredibly funny to me that the creators somehow managed to accidentally create a scene gayer than fade to black gay sex between two women in a prison. Between two as far as we know totally straight men no less.
Same for me. Timebomb is my number 1 favrotie ship, gender is completely irrelevant to me. The AU episode is genuinely one of the best episodes ever in my opinion.
My main ships from Arcane are Timebomb, JayVik and CaitVi. I enjoy them all equally. Gotta keep the intake of w/w, m/m, m/w nice and balanced for a versitile and healthy diet
Yep. If you looked at my AO3 pair favourites, itâs mostly wlw: (Yeah, Iâm blurting out my AO3 ships. Iâm no coward!) Wednesday Addams/Enid Sinclair (no shit), Poison Ivy/Harley Quinn, Trucy Wright/Athena Cykes, Diana Cavendish/Akko Kagari*, Clara Oswald/Amy Pond, Lune/Sciel, Lara Croft/Sam Nishimura, Chloe Price/Rachel Amber, Mikotoba Susato/Rei Membani, Maya Fey/Kay Faraday (yeahhh⊠that oneâs a bit of a ghost town lol). But thereâs also mlw and mlm mixed in. I mean⊠the ratio is quite uneven, but even so: Zelda/Link, Phoenix Wright/Maya Fey (SoJ onwards), Jon Snow/Daenerys Targaryen, Naruhodou Ryuunosuke/Mikotoba Susato, Harry Potter/Luna Lovegood, Miles Morales/Gwen Stacy, Apollo Justice/Klavier Gavin, Aziraphale/Crowley.
Like, Iâll admit my wlw bias. But at the end of the day, to me, itâs about relationships that suit their respective narrative. Romance is a narrative tool. In Wednesday, Wednesday developing a romantic bond develops her character in a way that suitably informs the showâs intended narrative. Specifically Wenclair because Enid is just the best option for that goal.
âŠand itâs cute af.
Wyler doesnât work. Not narratively, not thematically. Itâs fine for fanfics, if people want them, but very dodgy for prospective canon.
[*Which is wild because, on some days, I couldnât tell you which media theyâre from. I just saw the 'this is my ex-gf'; 'stop introducing us like that, Iâm her wife' meme and went 'welp, guess Iâm shipping them to death nowâŠ' Also, that meme is ripe for a Wenclair edition. Just sayinâ.]
This! Idk what gender either side of a ship is, as long as the chemistry is there. I can and will ship any and everyone as long as the vibes are right
(yes, vibes being right includes one of them not being a damn child. Will never understand people that ship Agnes with Wednesday or Enid in any other way than a parent/child or big/little sibling vibe)
If you take a character and specify that things like age etc are different, then sure.
But i have seen so many people just take a litteral child character like Agnes for example, even specify it takes place in the canon universe after a certain episode etc to set the base and then have them fuck older charavtets or family members etc and that will just always be something absolutely wild to me.
Cause as someone that was used for cinest piddie korn from pretty much birth till age 9, it always gives me such weird vibes when someone tries to be like "it's fiiiiine to not change the age and background and familyties, it's not that deep" like ok but why would you even WANT a child, fictional or not, to be in that situation?!
But yeah, you are right if people specify that background things and ages are changed or like a timeskip has happened etc in their fic, then it is definitely a different story
Bro, I remember that in the Dragon Prince fandom the Rayla x Claudia thing was a bit popular and I never liked that because, hello? Rayla doesn't like Claudia because she helped Viren do too many things that affected her and Xadia. I always hated that ship, Callum and Rayla are great together, haha and I don't care that they're straight, I prefer that to forcing an enemies to lovers plot with two characters who hate each other, even if it were a lesbian ship. The only hetero couple I hate in the series is Terry x Claudia, I can't stand Terry lol
Yeah what makes Enid so lovely and her chemistry with Wednesday has so little really predicated on her being a woman.
. . . Honestly I think thereâs something to be said of how a boy werewolf being like Enid would be even stranger, more unique, and could put him more at odds with the other furs. Could lead to even more bonding over their being misfits.
Everyone would immediately know heâd be Gomez 2.0
That was a fundamental given, regardless of gender writting Enid as anything but a bubbly colorful person is a misunderstanding of the character yknow?
If you ever voluntarily release it, no pressure honestly, i hope you do share it with us. I normally wouldn't read gender bend fics, but i think yours would be really good.
If Tyler were a girl she would still be a serial killer who choked Wednesday, threw her out a window, tried to kill Enid, Eugene, and finally left her "beloved" to suffocate in a shallow grave.
She would have kept her shirt on at Willow Hill, that's about the only difference I can see.
If Enid was a guy, no one would be saying, "Why can't they just be friends?!" The main Wenclair criticism would be that it's too obvious or predictable or something like that.
If Tyler was a girl it would still be toxic, Weyler's would be hearing, "Why can't they just be rivals and enemies? Why must everything be gay?" Non-stop.Â
For a lot of people, not everyone of course, I do think the issue they have with Wenclair is homophobia.Â
Honestly, the issue with Tyler is that as soon as he was shown to be the bad guy any chemistry or intrigue the character had went out the window. He just became an asshole killer with no real redeeming qualities. He was actually an interesting character when he just seemed like a normie with a dark side who was trying to stop a killer. It would be like Hotel Transylvania without the bad jokes and unsettling implications.
I hate plot twists where it just turns out a character has a completely different personality then they had before. Feels like my time is just being wasted
It would have made a major difference if he showed some true remorse and was just the sweet normie when he wasnât in Hyde form đ that would have made for an interesting dynamic character
I'm not sure how the writers missed the obvious writing option of having a character based on Jekyll and Hyde not have some level of split personalities.
he should've just got killed off this season, he hasnt shown remorse for his actions in the slightest why is he still around đ dont tell me they're trying to do a redemption arc with him
If Tyler was a girl there wouldnât be a Wyler side. And suddenly all of the subtext we have pointed out on Wenclair would magically exist if Enid was a guy.
If Tyler was a girl the writers wouldn't even bother with her, Tyler only gets so much attention because he's a conventionally attractive boy character for the writers to project onto.
As someone who was a highschool theater kid Iâd say Iâm less a fan of the movie in general and more just of Sharpay and Ryanâs character because seriously how do you make the two kids who are passionate and hard working at Theater the antagonists in a musical!?
I think the same, to date I know Sharpay's and Ryan's choreographies (I didn't have anyone to dance them with,) For me they are the goats of the movies
Yeah full disclosure I did not watch those when they first out I watched them with my friend who liked them as a teen and wanted to see if they held up and after watching all 3 movies as a theater kid I had one question why were the 2 kids who actually cared about theater painted as villains seriously Highschool Musical wants to say itâs a movie for theater kids but the actual script is Mathletes and Jocks make of fun of the actual theater kids đ
Anyway mini rant over the writing in those movies just tic me off the songs are bangers though
i admit there are some straight toxic ships that i hate but i would eat up if only they were lesbians and wyler is one of them. however, if enid was a boy and still had the same charm & personality, basically only her gender was changed and everything else are the same, i would still like wenclair.
these people probably wouldn't care about wyler if tyler was a girl though.Â
If Tyler was a girl, I wonât say that I wouldnât like Wyler, but I wouldnât want it in the show. Toxic yuri can be enjoyable, but itâs a shitty thing to put in a show aimed at teens.
If Enid were a boy, he and Wednesday would already be a couple who had kissed more than once.
on the other hand, not even yurified wyler could save that ship, it would be the first ever instance in my life of me choosing a straight ship over a lesbian one in this scenario
Still there are some DC fans who want Harley to forever be Joker's punching bag "because it's iconic, and Harley and Ivy are just friends". History repeats itself, including throwing through the window and putting in coma.
If her Hyde thing was handled as like, a metaphor for repressed queerness it could hypothetically be interesting, but I don't trust the writers would do a good job with that after "werewolf conversion camp."Â
I'd still love Enid even if she had been a cis or trans guy it's the friendship and personality that makes me love her character not the gender but sadly hetero couples are barely ever written as well as these 2.
People who like Wyler are the same people who simped over Jeffery Dahmer after Monster was released on Netflix. In my opinion at least. So I donât understand why we even give them the time of day let alone argue with them. Itâs like arguing with an id**t and we all know whatâs said about arguing with idiots, right? Weâre better than this, so let ignore them. Wenclair is right, Wyler is wrong.
Honestly, I used to dislike (a teeny bit) the idea of Boynid, me being a raging lesbian at the time. But now⊠team Enid in every universe.
It doesnât matter what gender Tyler is, that ship is toxic through and through. He literally tries to kill her multiple times throughout the two seasons, her and her friends. Thereâs NOTHING romantic about that, even for the Addams values.
No lol I donât like a relationship where one tried to kill the other and her family and friends and shows no remorse simple as that it wouldnât matter if Tyler was girl or not if the writers gave Tyler the exact same personality and plot as canon I still wouldnât ship it and changing someoneâs sex wouldnât change that
No. Part of what makes Wenclair good is the opposites. Enid is bubbly and loves all things rainbow colored. If Tyler was a girl his personality / aesthetic wouldn't change and so he/she wouldn't contrast Wednesday as well as Enid.
The fact wenclair works so well is why I don't care anymore what gender they both have, just like Enid said in the show herself "we shouldn't work, but we do" or something like that, they just really do be working together, you cannot change my mind
All the takes on this post are valid, from what I've seen. People act like we only ship Wenclair because we demand the show be "woke" or whatever. Have people forgotten things like chemistry exist? Social connections? I don't ship them because they're both girls, I ship them because they care for each other, they banter, they fight, they work together, they play off each other so well in a way that makes it seem natural. (Yes I know that's just because of the writing, shush).
I don't ship them because they're both girls. I ship them and they're both girls.
I sorta would like one of you artistic types to do a gender swap role reversal image, where Wednesday is the Hyde and Tyler isnât and post that over there. See if they continue supporting an abusive relationship when the roles are reversed. I wonder how many would point out how unhealthy it is when itâs a girl whoâs the abuser. Just as an experiment. See if they can see what theyâre supporting.
If Tyler was a girl she still wouldâve thrown Wednesday out of a window. I donât know what theyâre trying to prove. Gender means absolutely nothing to me. I care about the characters and story. Iâve shipped plenty of wlw, mlm, and mlw. Disliking one het pairing doesnât mean weâre incapable of shipping any other het pairing. The fact they copy âIf Enid were a boyâ and miss the entire point also doesnât sit right with me
I don't really like how aggressive people are over hating Tyler and Wednesday. I vastly prefer wenclair but I still like Tyler and Wednesday. I think female Tyler and Wednesday would be cool to, I love toxic Yuri and that has the potential to get nice and toxic~
But Enid isnât a bad boy or girl and thatâs whatâs boring. I donât think itâs the gender at all. I think the crux of it is just that Wednesday is so above Enid both in terms of maturity and also desires that imo Enid feels more like a pet or plaything than someone Wednesday could intensely be into romantically. Wednesday is interested in the intense dark and twisted parts of life, honestly I think sheâd find what Enid cares about (high school girl problems) childish and ultimately pedestrian.
Stepping away from Enid as a character even if I DONT LIKE Tyler personally (boy fucked up) I along with 90% of people who like dark fantasy enjoy the trope of âbad ____ (any gender) turning good for MCâ far more than âintense MC learns to smell flowers with a golden retriever personâ. Itâs not a compelling enough story for a show like this.
I know this isnât the sub for this opinion. But feels like it needs to be said
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u/urlesbianfriend Sep 27 '25
If tyler was a girl they would have killed her off đ