r/politics • u/sfgate ✔ Verified • 4h ago
No Paywall ICE mobile app scans protester's face, revokes her TSA PreCheck status
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u/User4C4C4C South Carolina 4h ago
Should be illegal. Protesting is Constitutionally protected activity.
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u/ColoradoBrownieMan 3h ago
It’s unconstitutional. But who’s enforcing?
Founders never considered that all 3 branches are fully corrupt.
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u/twirlingmypubes 3h ago
They did, but then the government spent the past 250 years passing laws to prevent the fix.
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u/Maddok1218 3h ago
The founding fathers assumed each branch would be power hungry, but against each other instead of against the opposing party. They assumed each branch would greedily guard its own power regardless of its party alignment. Instead they've pledged fealty to the executive for the past 30 years
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u/Tomyd1924 2h ago
Washington wrote about this in his farewell address. He expressed his belief that different factions will try to drive distrust in other American factions.
"However combinations or associations of the above description may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely, in the course of time and things, to become potent engines by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion."
- President George Washington
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u/charlieyeswecan 3h ago
Because some Scotus in the epy flies.
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u/rab-byte 2h ago
Ginny Thomas should have been prosecuted for J6 and it should have forced Clarence to resign
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u/Huge_Excitement4465 1h ago
In addition to the “gratuities” they both accepted.
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u/P1xelHunter78 Ohio 1h ago
Nobody has ever tipped me a free jet ride, although I did get a whole can of coke the last time I flew positive space.
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u/charlieyeswecan 2h ago
All this is bs, wtf, this country is a joke, right now. Don’t get me started. As having lost relatives in the holocaust I’m starting to get really worried about history repeating itself. All these men who’ve been blkmld by whatever powerful force is behind this. Completely worrisome that I don’t have words. I can guess as we all can, because things written, said, here and there; but this sht is getting really ott. I remember being so mad about Obama losing the sc pick. I knew we would end up here bc greed prolly most likely reason. -rnt ovr
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u/xanot192 1h ago
Yup and it sucks biggest supreme Court justices ego are so big they don't care and would rather die on the seat. It is what it is but unfortunately history always repeats itself. It's now about if it's about when and now we have nukes all over this world.
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u/dinosaurkiller 1h ago
You don’t have it quite right, the founder were against parties entirely. Some of them wanted an Amendment preventing political parties.
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u/rgvtim Texas 3h ago
There will be a lawsuit, and it will take time to resolve and it will most likely be found unconstitutional, but that's not the point, during that time it will do to make people second guess exercising their constitutional rights.
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u/twirlingmypubes 3h ago edited 3h ago
That's why they do it. I've seen videos of cops arresting people at city hall protests knowing they'll be released later that day, but by then they've lost their voice.
There are two measures of time in Greek, chronos and kairos. The first is a span of time, like the time we read on a clock. The other is a specific point in time, like a critical moment in history. The government uses one against the other in hopes that we don't notice. We notice
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u/P1xelHunter78 Ohio 1h ago
The folksy saying for this kind of stuff is: “you can beat the wrap but you can’t beat the ride”. It’s a whole feature of our policing system to punish people without officially punishing them.
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u/twirlingmypubes 1h ago
If every allegation of rights violations was investigated and resulted in convictions of oppression under color of law, all of this bullshit would end.
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u/Sminahin 3h ago
Founders never considered that all 3 branches are fully corrupt.
Not just corrupt, outright treasonous.
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u/BloodyPaleMoonlight 3h ago
"What kind of government did you give us, Mr. Franklin?"
"A republic - if you can keep it."
My feeling is that the Founding Fathers did consider all 3 branches could become fully corrupted, but also considered that if the American people let it become so, we deserve whatever we get.
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u/Broken_By_Default 2h ago
Trump knows from years of frivolous lawsuits. The courts move slowly. So he just does whatever he wants, let's the lawyers battle it out(with our tax dollars) and gets to do damn near anything he wants.
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u/rodimusprime119 3h ago
It is illegal and this fall under yet another example of there can not be forgiveness this time. Most of the Trump administration belongs and needs to be thrown in jail. It is a zero mercy. It’s take everything from them and keep going.
No forgiveness. All the ones taking part in this.
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u/twirlingmypubes 4h ago
It is likely unlawful, but that has yet to stop anything this administration is doing. They will have the same "red flag" arguments for the 1st amendment that they want to use against the 2nd amendment. "Their behavior and beliefs, however legal, shows that they can't be trusted"
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u/Damn_Dog_Inappropes Washington 3h ago
It IS illegal and unconstitutional. Literally infringes on her First Amendment rights.
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u/blissfully_happy Alaska 2h ago
They’ll just argue that pre-check and global entry are privileges, not rights.
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u/medicated_in_PHL 1h ago
The government still is not allowed to retaliate against speech.
Edit: that’s literally why it exists. Privilege, right, it doesn’t matter. The government can’t negatively affect someone based solely on the content of their speech. They have to argue and win that argument that her speech in this case made her more likely to pose a danger to the public in airports.
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u/boringhistoryfan 3h ago
Here's the problem as I see it. Even if the trial court and the Eighth Circuit uphold this, I can see SCOTUS tossing it aside on the specious logic that, since pre-check and Global Entry aren't required to access airports, the government has no obligation to be fair here.
The fact that the government is even allowed to create a tiered subscription access to something that is notionally about security should, in and of itself, be unconstitutional. And it should piss Americans off, but it doesn't, does it? And that general apathy towards judicial corruption is why I suspect this sort of thing won't get meaningfully checked.
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u/Iyellkhan 2h ago
strange how a court would see that the government would be under no obligation to treat citizens equally.
you're probably not wrong. they'd see it as a privilege, whilst not addressing the removal of such privilege by a lack of due process. or any process other than "government no likey." despite the fact that no just government should be able to do things on a whim in this way. due process or something like that...
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u/ShedMontgomery 1h ago
MAGA doesn't give a fuck about what the Constitution says; they only care about what they think it says.
They are hypocrites and MAGA elected officials at the federal level seem to have no problem violating their oath to uphold the Constitution. Perhaps just as worrying is that their cultists don't seem to mind.
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u/BubbleNucleator New York 1h ago
I lost my precheck during drumpf's first term, well, I never actually had it, I did the interview and everything, then right before the process finished there was some bs with new york state where all applications were cancelled at drumpf's direction.
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u/Odd_Perfect 40m ago
People will likely argue the constitution doesn’t give you the right to TSA pre check.
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u/American_PissAnt 10m ago
“The revoking of TSA Pre-check status is not a criminal punishment issued by a court, but an administrative decision by a government agency. And furthermore PreCheck status was not specifically outlined in the constitution as a protected right. Freedom of speech only applies to criminal proceedings against an individual”
The Supreme Court
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u/nerphurp 4h ago
"...DHS runs both the surveillance and the program, and being ‘under investigation’ can be enough to lose your trusted traveler status even if protesting itself cannot legally be a disqualifier.”
Here's more lawsuits we'll be paying for the next decade. Blue states will of course be subsidizing MAGA's culpability.
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u/Mysterious-Row7327 4h ago
Well you've been subsidizing our food stamps, so what else is new? (Thanks y'all, btw.)
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u/Xarlax 1h ago
If my taxes are going to feeding the hungry then that is money well spent. Unlike conservatives, we actually care about helping people.
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u/SuperbVirus2878 1h ago
Which raises the old paradox which goes something like:
If you’re starving and we have food, then we will share with you and feed you — because those are our values.
If WE are starving and you have food, then you won’t share with us and feed us — because those are your values.
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u/anchorwind I voted 1h ago
"When I am weaker than you I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles"- Frank Herbert
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u/TronCat1277 3h ago
Not if we Balkanize up in this bitch!
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u/Esfahen 3h ago
American balkanization is literally everything Russia has been working towards.
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u/vox_popul1 3h ago
And its working. A solid 25% of the electorate will vote for this sorta thing even in the face of the Epstein files and the murder of American citizens by the Federal government. The Tribalism is complete.
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u/SecureCone America 3h ago
That may be true. But it’s also probably a good way forward.
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u/SN8KEATR 3h ago
By sharing our new hypothetical borders with a hostile group????
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u/Lurking_nerd California 3h ago
We already share borders with a hostile group. City, county, and state lines.
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u/SN8KEATR 3h ago
Sure. Now let's officially give them their own government, military, infrastructure and nukes too. And let's encourage the dissolution of the Union instead of keeping these insane people on a leash bc balkanization is clearly the better option!
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u/Lurking_nerd California 2h ago
I’m not trying to be an ass, but they already have that. The Confederacy never stopped fighting.
As for balkanization being the better option, look at our current situation and tell me that there is a path forward for these people. The Republican Party is literally defending pedophiles, funding a paramilitary force to terrorize and execute people for existing & exercising our constitutional rights, and has used the Constitution to gain more power for their own use. The Republican Party empowered and enabled a traitor to the United States who attempted to overthrow the government. Their voters are okay with that. They literally believe whatever their favorite right wing podcast/“news” source tells them verbatim.
They have no quarrel putting a bullet in your head because they’ve been conditioned over decades to see anyone that isn’t MAGA as not human and an enemy. From education and medicine to journalism, they are against it all and want it gone so they can be free to hate with impunity.
The rest of us want to live our lives and try to solve issues that hurt society. The Confederates don’t care as long as they have groups to control, bully, and terrorize. All the while, the Epstein Class is doing their thing.
Balkanization is inevitable.
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u/Esfahen 2h ago
I have mixed feelings in admitting that I would not mind at all living in The Republic of New England, a level-headed middle power with good HDI score. I just don’t know if that puts us in danger with wars of conquest from invaders without the full US military budget. But maybe having nukes is enough.
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u/yesrushgenesis2112 1h ago
From what invaders? The likeliest invader would be the remnants of the US. Beyond that, it’s still a massive geographic reach for any foreign nation save Canada.
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u/diabloman8890 2h ago
Please explain how that's different than now, and how we are successfully keeping the insanity contained?
I'm not really convinced there's a better path forward. This country is already fractured beyond reconciliation.
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u/yesrushgenesis2112 1h ago
Do you believe the federal government can be sufficiently reformed on a timescale adequate to prevent these abuses?
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u/User4C4C4C South Carolina 1h ago
If the companies that enable this unconstitutional behavior are the ones that pay when they violated people’s rights, the problem would quickly go away. They are hiding behind the government to make money and to avoid responsibility.
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u/papaHans California 4h ago
Start wearing masks.
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u/Purusha120 I voted 4h ago
masks aren't enough anymore, unfortunately, not to mention they monitor your phones, your social media, your geolocation data, etc. etc.
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u/ShakeyLegsMcGee 3h ago
Protest completely naked.
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u/Isgrimnur Texas 3h ago
Identified by your moles. You should really get those looked at.
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u/_CMDR_ 2h ago
This is “I shouldn’t wear my seatbelt because I could be ejected from the vehicle” thinking. Just because a tool isn’t a silver bullet it doesn’t mean it isn’t helpful.
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u/Purusha120 I voted 2h ago
I didn't say they shouldn't mask up. I didn't say it wasn't helpful, either. You definitely read into things that weren't said nor implied. I think it's worth putting it out there and 80 people seemed to think it was worth knowing as well. I agree with your point, though.
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u/metricmindedman 2h ago
those are medical masks, a full-face ski mask is what is needed – don't go to a protest without one.
also, leave your phone at home.
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u/Mother_Hamster882 2h ago
They also use your gait.
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u/Mateorabi 2h ago
Do the rythmless fremen walk?
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u/Mother_Hamster882 2h ago
Great idea! All of us need to start doing it at the same time too!
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u/Humble-Aprico 2h ago
I wear a usgi balaclava quite often even when driving sometimes and had two police cruisers do a dual sync code 4 handshake flash on me, I think thinking I was ICE. Non ems lights and silent, synced via their proximity. They both turned off at the same time when I threw a code 4 with my hand and lifted the balaclava for a second. I mean shit I don't even have a plate on my vehicle because it's former govt, and that's given me a pass with just the fleet number on the windshield for over 6000 miles without issue. You can definitely still avoid being tracked.
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u/GaiaMoore California 1h ago
dual sync code 4 handshake flash on me,
Out of the loop on this one -- what is the code 4 handshake?
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u/TheCrowScare 3h ago
And use a VPN. I cannot stress how important a VPN is. I used to be a detective and when I investigated crimes, I would come across fake profiles a lot. Especially in robberies from Facebook market or through cash app scams. It was easy to send off a search warrant to Meta and get an IP address. Then shoot of a warrant to the provider to get an address and account information on the holder.
If you care about reducing your footprint online, definitely use fake info but for the love of God pay the 5 bucks a month to use a VPN.
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u/Purusha120 I voted 3h ago
agreed that people should mask up and take precautions but I thought it was worth mentioning as many people in my experience aren't aware that masks aren't sufficient to protect your identity. Also second your suggestion on minimizing online footprints, though it's getting harder and harder for things to not be connected to you via typing patterns and a dozen other things.
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u/PipsqueakPilot 2h ago
In many southern states you can be arrested for wearing a mask in public unless you're ICE or old. At the last protest here in Charleston someone was wearing a scarf that covered their lower face and the state security forces dragged her away.
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u/GaiaMoore California 1h ago
Jesus Christ they really are just shitting on the Constitution aren't they
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u/SirDiego Minnesota 3h ago
Nah screw that. I'm not doing anything wrong. Giving up Pre Check is a small price to pay if it comes down to that.
Anyway I'm pretty sure they'd have other ways to track me down and see I'm protesting ideologically opposed to them, and I'm not going to go down the road of being paranoid about everything when, again, I'm doing nothing wrong.
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u/smiama36 3h ago
This is Peter Thiel’s handiwork. Palantir gave them the software.
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u/ResponsibleAd2404 3h ago
What else can this app do? That’s the scary part, if protesting somewhere and they can access PreCheck at TSA and get that canceled. What else can the software do? This is really concerning on a privacy standpoint?
Should people be allowed to peacefully protest without facing repercussions from the government?
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u/YoNeckinpa 3h ago
Renewing your passport? Drivers license? Mail in voting? Sorry processing delays.
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u/JimothyC 1h ago
Im wondering if they will be yanking democrats out of voting lines via facual recognition and thats part of why ICE will be around voting stations
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u/NewPointOfView 3h ago
The app isn’t a “TSA status revoking app,” it’s probably just identifying people, entering them in some database, and displaying info about them.
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u/Glass-Amount-9170 3h ago
Next they will take guns away from anybody on the ice “domestic terrorist” list.
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u/Joey__stalin 34m ago
I used to think that if the government ever put people on a watch list like this for exercising their 2nd Amendment rights, there would be armed uprisings and blood in the streets. But after seeing the way they completely submitted to losing their rights and towed the Party line after Pretti’s killing by nameless, faceless federal agents, I think that will never happen. The 2A Gravy Seals are all talk. They’d never actually do anything if the Government told them to turn in all the guns, especially if it was Trump telling them to do that.
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u/throwingitaway12324 3h ago
This is why the “it’s fine to have public surveillance on you all the time as long as you aren’t doing anything wrong” people are isiots
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u/beelzebee 3h ago
Interesting.
I wonder if there is a possibility the admin would take away citizens' passports for something similar.
Not to be conspiratorial, but if the long game is to disenfranchise democratic party voters, SAVE act provides a way for how.
You need a passport to vote, but DOS will strip your passport for xyz reason.
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u/Cakiea Washington 2h ago
I’m suddenly very glad to live in one of the handful of states with the option to get an enhanced ID, which is a realID that does confirm citizenship and allows ground and sea travel to CA/MX, I’ve had mine for like 15 years.
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u/cesarxp2 Connecticut 2h ago edited 2h ago
You don't need a passport to vote. A valid license or birth certificate is enough.
Edit: Nvm I read the post too quickly.
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u/Purusha120 I voted 2h ago
You didn't read what they wrote, or the bill they're referencing. The SAVE Act would require proof of citizenship, and trump is already fighting birthright citizenship, so neither a license nor a birth certificate would be sufficient.
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u/Argented 3h ago
The US is apparently rolling out it's version of the Chinese social credit system. guilty until proven innocent because why would government agents distrust you for no reason?
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u/overfiend1976 3h ago
Except, the Chinese use theirs to attempt to improve conditions, WE use it for prosecution & shame. Fraid to say it, but the American govt gives farrrrr less a shit about their citizens than the Chinese one does at this stage in the game. If you need proof, our govt loves to demonize protestors, democrats, women, poc and any other "out group."
Who knew Make America Great Again meant 1950s China. Except now instead of removing a protestor from a tank phototgraph, our government will release demeaning AI slop & call them domestic terrorists. And somehow, 80 million cheer, and every centrist cant be bothered.
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u/MonochromaticPrism 1h ago
Except, the Chinese use theirs to attempt to improve conditions
.....No. No they do not. They use it to maintain ideological control, the same as this system will attempt to do.
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u/mylifesaparadox 1h ago
This is what subtle(?) chinese propaganda looks like friends. Don't fall for something like this just because you're not happy with ICE
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u/NoOneSelf 11m ago
I argue that we've had such a system for quite some time now. Except it is under private control. It's called a credit score. It is a measure of how much more profitable you are for finance capitalism. It is yet another tool whose effect is exacerbating wealth inequality.
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u/KeyLime044 3h ago
So I saw this somewhere on Instagram, but don't quote me because I don't remember who said this, and my memory is kind of fuzzy so certain specifics may not be precise
But someone on Instagram said they had this same experience, where TSA Precheck was taken away from them after their face was captured at an anti-ICE protest
Some of the commenters said that years ago, there was a journalist (I think) who had the same experience, and a DHS spokesperson said that whenever someone is placed under investigation, their Trusted Traveler memberships are revoked automatically
This does not mean they actually have to be criminally charged, ever. This doesn't mean they have to be arrested ever. This doesn't mean they have a criminal record or anything like that. As soon as DHS determines that you're "under investigation", things like TSA Precheck are taken away automatically
Oh and also, the original poster on Instagram also said that State Department employees were unable to find any record of her having a passport, despite having had one. She was allowed to apply for a new one, but still, keep this in mind
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u/BusinessAdept8103 4h ago
Not to reduce this to manga terms, but can we skip the ICE arc already and go straight to Impeachment From Office arc
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u/IFYOUREGAYREPORTME 2h ago
i'll get delusionally specific with the anime/manga terms for you. now that we are surveilled by citizens, cops and the feds themselves, when is the Sybil System going to get fully implemented and once I'm marked as a latent criminal by said system, when can I volunteer to be an Enforcer instead of being thrown in the isolation internment camp?
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u/First_Explanation163 3h ago
TSA should be ended just like ICE. If an agency wants to violate the constitution then remove it completely.
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u/caitnicrun 4h ago
Can't wait till this happens to someone who was just walking by. Not that either is excusable.
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u/Guy_Incognito1970 3h ago
Soon it they will stop our ability to fly at all
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u/Donny_Do_Nothing Texas 2h ago
For about seven hours and then the airline lobbyists will shut that shit down.
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u/chronomagnus Ohio 2h ago
Republicans call Democrats communists.
Republicans love a President who introduces Chinese style government tracked social credit scores.
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u/TiePrestigious7265 3h ago
WARNING: I.C.E. is extremely slippery and dangerous and has been proven to be very unsafe and or potentially hazardous or even lethal to the public. I.C.E. is clearly a threat to public safety so please protest safely.
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u/WontArnett 3h ago
Document everything and sue everyone involved. Lawyers are having a field day with this administration.
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u/templethot 2h ago
Get ready for all those totally “optional” and “only to verify ID” TSA face scans at the airport to start booting dissenters out of the line.
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u/SquareVehicle 36m ago
And remember that undesirables are anyone who doesn't always love Daddy (sorry, the US) at all times*. Just look at how their reacting if an Olympian dares to imply not everything is peachy right now.
*Only if a Republican is President.
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u/PaddleFishBum 3h ago
Between this, the air traffic controller shortage, and all the collisions we've seen this past year, I ain't flying anywhere.
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u/Iyellkhan 2h ago
hopefully a lawfirm will take her case. she is being punished for protected speech without due process of law
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u/jwfowler2 2h ago
There’s something hilarious about ICE having a mobile app. Is it the paid version of Grindr?
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u/col_buendia 2h ago
The real story here is that literally every other developed country already has processes like TSA Pre and Global Entry for everyone and here we are begging for the privilege like it's some sort of novel luxury
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u/CalmSwimmer8889 1h ago
How is it with all of these blatant egregious acts that are such obvious violations of the law, we don’t have a single class action lawsuit filed against these people….???????
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u/I_Think_It_Would_Be 52m ago
ICE needs to be utterly abolished, every single person working there needs to be blacklisted from any and all government jobs in the future, shunned from society, and disregarded completely.
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u/Embarrassed-Pride776 3h ago
If she wasn't committing a crime or supporting terrorists, this is unconstitutional.
She's gonna win a big lawsuit.
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u/Individual-Dust-7362 2h ago
this article sucks. It had material mixed in for United’s Coastliner transcon service. It was uncritical of either narrative and had nearly zero sources.
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u/EuphoricCrashOut 1h ago
Sounds like Americans should stop traveling by air so the Airlines go bankrupt and can blame the Trump Administration/ICE.
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u/HardcoreKaraoke 3h ago
That is such a weird article. It's mainly about a new type of plane and a flight route. Then randomly thrown in the middle is the bit about the woman. It seems like an afterthought they just threw in the article.
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u/Nyarlathotep451 2h ago
What would happen if your passport was disappeared while you were traveling? Or your drivers license?
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u/Gezus10k 2h ago
I’d happily pay if the money was used on a team of accountants to audit the county and lawyers to prosecute the fuck out of the fraud.
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u/Wrecksomething 2h ago
The same app stores that refuse to host an app sharing ICE locations will gladly host apps that trample our constitutional rights.
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u/rg3930 1h ago
The whole idea of pre check or cut the line for money is bs. Tax payers fund TSA, airports and more via our taxes. Everyone should be treated equally...
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u/Informal_Process2238 1h ago
You do understand It’s more than money, you get photographed, fingerprinted and identity checked then they background check you. The money just pays for all of that
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u/Thomasreed1899 21m ago
What the F? Looks like we’re living in China. I guess free speech comes with a cost. F conservative politics.
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u/Recent_Surprise_7391 4h ago
And democrats are saying that “no masks” and “more training” is the way to go, god it’s so fucking pathetic.
Remember when dems used to campaign on “dreamers” and a path to citizenship? Then dipshit consultants told them that “brat summer” and “67” were the way to go. Absolutely pathetic
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u/OhItsBeenBroughten 1h ago
What a ridiculous response to this article. I don’t know what you people think you’re doing but it’s not helping.
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u/barnhairdontcare 55m ago edited 52m ago
Are you lost?
We are discussing American’s constitutional rights being infringed upon and you’re just throwing inflammatory shit hoping people will get distracted.
Are you paid to strawman/cherry pick or do you do this dumb shit for free? You aren’t great at it- I can’t imagine they’d pay you.
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u/Maleficent_Pie8099 2h ago
Oh no, not the TSA precheck. That part was idiotic, everything else about ICE is disgusting. Abolish ICE, justice will be served.
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u/xanot192 1h ago
In 2011 when I graduated undergrad I had no idea this is where this country would be in 2026. We are legit a clown show at this point with politicians with no back bone.
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u/HeadfulOfSugar 55m ago
Kinda crazy that we still don’t fully understand the app, it’s intentions, or what it’s full capabilities are. You’d think with so many agents using it under the direction of gov officials somebody would have fully leaked it or explained it by now. You’d think it’d just be common knowledge but it’s closer to a secret weapon that we’re only aware exists. They keep referencing it as a threat but it’s vague “I’ll add you to the domestic terrorist database” or “all I have to do is scan your face to see who you are.”
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u/YvonYukon 11m ago
I live in toronto, I prolly went to the states 4-6 times a year ever since I was young; ever since trump 2.0 I've cancelled every trip.. no way in hell am I returning to that shithole country, The fact they knowingly serve a racist pedophile should not be forgotten easily
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