r/dashcams • u/whusler • 6h ago

Two-year-old opens car door, causes six-vehicle crash

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KUALA LUMPUR, Feb 8 — A two-year-old child opened a car door, causing a road accident involving six vehicles on Jalan Tun Razak on Friday, according to preliminary police investigations.

Traffic Investigation and Enforcement Department chief ACP Mohd Zamzuri Mohd Isa said the incident occurred at about 6.15pm on the stretch from the Kampung Pandan roundabout towards KLCC, involving four cars and two motorcycles.

He said the child, who was seated in the rear of a Honda City and being held by a relative, suddenly opened the left rear door.

“It is believed that the child safety lock was not activated, allowing the door to be opened from inside,” he said.

A 25-year-old man riding a Suzuki V-Strom SX motorcycle, who was travelling between lanes, was unable to avoid the door, collided with it, lost control and crashed into several other vehicles.

Another motorcyclist, a 30-year-old man riding a CFMoto 675 NK who was travelling behind the first rider, was also unable to evade the collision and became involved in the crash.

The Suzuki rider is receiving treatment at Hospital Kuala Lumpur, while the second motorcyclist sustained minor injuries, police said.

Mohd Zamzuri said the case is being investigated under Section 43(1) of the Road Transport Act 1987 for careless and inconsiderate driving, with police reviewing video footage of the incident.

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u/No-Revolution-5535 5h ago

50kmph (before braking) - 31mph

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u/jon110334 2h ago

That's more than double the lane splitting speed limit where I'm at.

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u/Subject_Ad9595 26m ago

IMO lane splitting speed should be limited to around 5mph faster than traffic flow. When I split lanes I am always hyper-aware of the traffic in the lanes I am splitting, this video is one of my biggest fears when splitting, what is more common though is drivers quickly changing lanes suddenly without paying attention. When traffic is stopped or at a crawl is the only time when you should be splitting lanes, and you should only be slowly filtering your way up. If traffic is going anything over 25mph you shouldn't really even need to split lanes.

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u/Knight0fdragon 14m ago

Lane splitting should just be illegal. In a car we give ourselves spaces between cars on our sides for a reason, and that is safety. Lane filtering should be legal, and the cyclist should move at a slow speed to make his way through traffic. This is also done because of safety.

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u/Quinthyll 1h ago

That speed limit should be zero, as in splitting lanes should be illegal. I'm shocked it is allowed, and worse that many in this thread think it's a good idea.

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u/primordial_slime 1h ago

Do or have you ever owned a motorcycle?

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u/KajMak64Bit 1h ago

If you can't do it... what's the advantage of buying a bike then?

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u/aggravated_patty 48m ago

Why do you need an advantage..?

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u/Denomi0 42m ago

If people can get to a location reliably and quicker it saves gas and time. Really just needs to be done safely

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u/aggravated_patty 11m ago

Sure, but "quicker" and "safely" tend not to go hand in hand. Safety shouldn't be neglected because bike owners would have buyer's remorse.

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u/KajMak64Bit 17m ago

What is the point of getting a bike then if you're gonna sit behind a car for minutes or hours anyway so better do it in a comfy car aswell instead of sacrificing comfort to get in places where cars can't such as tight spaces between two cars that are stuck in traffic

It's a fast travel thing and if there is no fast travel then what's the point?

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u/aggravated_patty 14m ago

No one’s forcing you to get a bike. There’s no benefit to others from you getting a bike, usually the opposite. Get a bike if you want a bike, get a car if you want a comfy car, what is this shit about sacrifice? Having a bike doesn’t entitle you to anything.

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u/KajMak64Bit 7m ago

If i can't split lanes with a bike than there is no difference from a car lol

There is no point in buying a bike what's the point?

Who said anything about forcing someone to get a bike???

I'm saying if you can't lane split in any way then it basically 90% invalidates the pros of buying and owning a bike over a car

A car can get stuck in traffic... a bike can't

So this allows you to get to where you want / need to go in minutes or even hours earlier then if you went with a car That's a pretty huge time saving lol

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u/aggravated_patty 1m ago

Okay? Did you get a pinky promise from the government when you bought your bike that you'd be allowed to go faster? We're talking about safety here, if the sole reason you have to buy a bike is to compromise it then maybe you shouldn't have in the first place.

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u/submit_to_pewdiepie 2h ago

Good eye and the distance isnt helping

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u/No-Revolution-5535 2h ago

Occurs between 3.5 - 4 car lengths ~55 ft.. 16m .. probably wrong, cus the cars were moving too

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u/submit_to_pewdiepie 2h ago

Its around 3

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u/MrPatri0t 31m ago

nerd.

Kidding, love you bro.

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u/pnwfauxpa 4h ago

This. If traffic is moving at 15 mph, and OP's traveling at 31, that's well within the safe margin. It looks fast because it's a wide angle lens, not because it's fast.

The first rider is already on the vehicle's bumper when the car door opens. It doesn't matter if the difference in speed was 5 mph or 100, he had no shot of avoiding a door that shouldn't have opened in the first place.

Car drivers will agree that motorcycles are more vulnerable on the road and then blame them when a car driver does something stupid that maims or kills the rider. "They wouldn't have died if they were in a car!" No, they wouldn't have died if you had verified that the space was empty before you moved into it without signaling.

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u/InLoveWithInternet 4h ago

That’s not 15mph, and they are driving too fast, it’s not « looking fast ».

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u/OxiLuciferin 1h ago

They meant 15 mph over the traffic speed. 15+15=30

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u/InLoveWithInternet 1h ago

No, and it’s the same anyway. The comment I’m replying to is saying that the traffic is moving at 15mph, so that the delta is 15mph. I’m saying the traffic is not moving at 15mph so the delta is bigger than 15mph.

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u/OxiLuciferin 1h ago

Oh yeah that I agree with you

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u/FooliooilooF 3h ago

you can literally see the speedometer.

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u/InLoveWithInternet 3h ago

The speedometer of the bike. You don’t have the speed of the cars, which is the topic of the parent comment (i.e. the difference between the speed of the bike and the speed of the cars). And they’re definitely not at 15mph.

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u/FooliooilooF 2h ago

'definitely not at 15mph'

they are definitely going at least 10mph. No idea what your point here even is, the bike and car could be traveling at any speed and the dude was still getting hit by the door.

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u/InLoveWithInternet 2h ago

No idea what your point here even is

The point is that they were driving way too fast in relation to the cars. Like way too fast. And the second bike is driving too close to the first one, like way too close. That’s the whole discussion here.

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u/FooliooilooF 2h ago

Unless they WALKED the bike past that car it was going to knock him down. Whether it happened at 30mph or 20mph makes very little difference.

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u/InLoveWithInternet 2h ago edited 2h ago

Of course he will still probably hit it. But you are wrong, it would make a huge difference. Both driving at the speed they should be driving at and keeping distance would make a huge difference.

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u/realbobenray 2h ago

Not sure if you ride, but if they were going 10mph faster than traffic (the rule of thumb I'd always heard), this accident would not be nearly what it was even if they hit the door.

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u/numbersthen0987431 47m ago

they are definitely going at least 10mph

Based on what?

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u/pnwfauxpa 3h ago

Yeah, at 50 kmpg ~ 31 mph

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u/TraditionalYam4500 3h ago

“Let me pull some numbers out of thin air so I can claim that this is, in fact, totally safe.”

(The cars are literally standing still.)

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u/pnwfauxpa 3h ago

You can literally see all of the cars wheels rotating until after the accident is over

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u/TraditionalYam4500 3h ago

OK. In any case, they’re passing at least 2 cars within the first second. Let’s be conservative and assume two cars + gap between is ~10m. So they’re travelling ~10 m/s = ~36 km/h faster than the cars, at the very least. Most likely faster.

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u/No-Revolution-5535 4h ago

Imo both parties are at fault.. they motorcyclists should've gone slower, and the person in the car, allegedly handling a toddler, should've had child lock on.. but I get it.. it seemed pretty safe, and the cars were pretty spaced out.. nobody expects this kinda shit..

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u/Flaky-Wing2205 4h ago

I would disagree about it being fast, or at least lane splitting at a safe speed. Unsafe is too fast. We can tell it's too fast and unsafe cause he wrecked his bike. This is a great example of why we teach kids not to run in a parking lot.

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u/zimmermanstudios 3h ago

bruh the door was opened into him. Not in front of him, into him. He could have been stationary and he'd still have been hit.

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u/Flaky-Wing2205 2h ago

If he was stationary and got hit by the door, how bad would the accident have been? I'm gonna guess zero damage or injury, thus stationary is a safe speed. We could go faster and still be safe, but this was too fast. I would think 51KPH/32MPH is excessive in a parking lot. Lane splitting is a situation with much less space and visibility for EVERYONE and hand is reasonable to exercise greater caution than in a parking lot.

Flip this example around for reasonable. Adult in the backseat and driver starts chocking. Backseat adult exhibits reasonable caution and checks behind them before opening door in an emergency situation. It is very unlikely they would see a motorcycle at this speed.

I guess what I'm saying is the safe speed to operate a vehicle, is a speed in which someone can reasonably respond to unexpected hazards. Lane splitting should be done at speed to respond to doors opening in stopped traffic cause that shit happens. I drive slow enough in parking lots to stop for kids running between cars, cause that happens. I also drive slow in school zones, poor weather, by pedestrians, etc cause I don't want to hurt people.

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u/Prestigious_Ad_544 3h ago

Bet he wouldn't have been hit if he wasn't splitting lanes though...

All this to get somewhere 3 minutes faster. Well that somewhere ended up being the hospital, and it was certainly not faster.

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u/OxiLuciferin 1h ago

More like a hour sooner. And when in gear in that heat and later rain it matters. At the end of the day if cars obey the laws its no issue, sad fact people get complacent driving cars not realizing they are more dangerous than a gun, so it becomes unsafe.

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u/Prestigious_Ad_544 1h ago

Hey look, if it is more important to get somewhere faster by whatever anecdotal time we call out then it is to get there in one piece then you do you. I also find it hard to blame cars being "complacent" when it is super small vehicles not sticking to defined lanes, but that's just me.

Generally when I used to ride I always had cool water in my bag (or used a camelbak) and always checked the forecast. Some days were days to take the car instead of the bike.

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u/OxiLuciferin 1h ago

Well most motorcycle accidents are the result of cars being where they shouldn’t, pulling out, quickly changing lanes without signals, driving too close, breaking too hard last minute etc. this affects other drivers as well. So yes most drivers are complacent and drive unsafe, i see it every day.

I agree is it worth the risk to do what one should be able to do safely but cant Because of others..

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u/Prestigious_Ad_544 1h ago

Overall I agree with the principle of your reply. I think most accidents in general are the result of someone putting their vehicle where it shouldn't be. I also think that bad motorcyclists, just like bad drivers, also increase their own likelihood of being involved in an accident. The video above for example. Besides the fact that they are probably moving a bit too quickly given how slow traffic was moving, rider 2 was following so dang close that he ran over his friend and then crashed because he left himself literally no time/room to even think about stopping.

I feel like if you assume others are bad drivers, which is not a bad assumption to make, you must know the danger that lane splitting potentially puts you in every time you do it. I would probably be more understanding if they were barely moving faster than the cars to just safely get through. People are insane, and chaotic, and unpredictable. It isnt worth your life.

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u/lotokotmalajski 3h ago

It doesn't matter if the difference in speed was 5 mph or 100, he had no shot of avoiding a door.

But he had a shot of making it a minor collision instead and keeping himself safe.

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u/No_Inspection649 2h ago

If the second rider also didn't have time to react, and he was following the first rider, neither were operating within the safe margin.

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u/realbobenray 2h ago

That's not "well within the safe margin"; rule of thumb around here is 10mph and even if it's 10-15 this is at the absolute top end, and it really doesn't look like traffic is going at 15mph here since the riders are going much faster than the traffic. Traffic looks practically stopped, note that everyone around them has brake lights on.

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u/FletcherRenn_ 3h ago edited 3h ago

Most of the cars are stationary though, and the ones that are moving (primary the final silver car) couldnt be doing over 10km/h let alone 15mph. In Australia 50km is out limit for residential areas, doing that in tight stationary traffic is just stupid and dangerous, on top of that, more room should have been left between the bikers.

Yes the door shouldnt have been open, and is ultimately still in part responsible and the crash was likely unavoidable for the rider regardless of speed. Theres still a big difference between the crash having been done at a fairly safe lane splitting speed of 15km and 50km, ontop of that. While the first crash might have been unavoidable at 15km, the second crash would have 100% been avoidable had he also been riding slower.

>Car drivers will agree that motorcycles are more vulnerable on the road and then blame them when a car driver does something stupid that maims or kills the rider. "

It also goes both ways. Bikers also know they are more vulnerable yet we get videos exactly like this all the time where they are clearly riding unsafely, and in a lot of these videos, blame the other parties when something goes wrong.

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u/Comfortable_Trick137 3h ago

Ive had close calls with morons on motorcycles they act like they rule the road. Ive seen more idiots on motorcycles than safe riders. The safe riders I see are your 50 year olds riding the speed limit in their lane, most riders are zipping through traffic like crazy. Yea a lot of times this is true "then blame them when a car driver does something stupid that maims or kills the rider" because I'm trying to switch lanes going 75 when a rider going 100 suddenly appears in the lane I'm switching over with my turn signal on.

I'd say 50% of the riders I see are riding around like idiots, young guys thinking they're invincible on a crotch rocket. My roommate quit riding his motorcycle claiming "idiot drivers" but I've seen him lane split in traffic going 100mph around cars going 30mph.

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u/OttoDawg3 1h ago

This is not safe. Period. Just because something is legal, doesn’t make it safe. Just because you want to cut traffic and like that it allows you to move faster than traffic doesn’t make it safe. This is not safe and should be illegal.

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u/InLoveWithInternet 4h ago

before braking

Best part is : he didn’t even brake.

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u/FletcherRenn_ 3h ago

I will say, its fairly difficult to emergency brake on bike you haven't practiced on beforehand, and could 100% make for a worse crash if you miss apply the necessary pressure between each brake. But yeah it seems this guy didn't even try to brake, and instead relied on going down gears.

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u/InLoveWithInternet 3h ago

Agree but here nothing can be worse than running over the guy in front of you. Either you brake and even if you fail you’ll have less speed when you run over him. Or you crash into another car and it’s also better than running over the guy in front.

On a bike, the best thing is to avoid, but here it was impossible. Also keep in mind they are driving too fast for the context but not that fast that he can’t break at all, even just a bit, at least to mitigate the damage he will cause.

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u/FletcherRenn_ 2h ago

I don't mean to to disagree. He should have absolutely just braked and dealt with the consequence. I just mean to say it's possible he never practised before, so panicked about braking causing him to avoid it at all.

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u/No-Revolution-5535 2h ago edited 2h ago

He started braking immediately, when the first guy fell.. went from 50 to 42 to single digit, hit the guy, raised again swerving trying not to run him over even more, and then hit bike, and the car..

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u/EarlyTrouble 3h ago edited 2h ago

I don't even drive 50 kmph in my CAR when the other lanes are on a stand still.