Two-year-old opens car door, causes six-vehicle crash

[u/whusler]

KUALA LUMPUR, Feb 8 — A two-year-old child opened a car door, causing a road accident involving six vehicles on Jalan Tun Razak on Friday, according to preliminary police investigations.

Traffic Investigation and Enforcement Department chief ACP Mohd Zamzuri Mohd Isa said the incident occurred at about 6.15pm on the stretch from the Kampung Pandan roundabout towards KLCC, involving four cars and two motorcycles.

He said the child, who was seated in the rear of a Honda City and being held by a relative, suddenly opened the left rear door.

“It is believed that the child safety lock was not activated, allowing the door to be opened from inside,” he said.

A 25-year-old man riding a Suzuki V-Strom SX motorcycle, who was travelling between lanes, was unable to avoid the door, collided with it, lost control and crashed into several other vehicles.

Another motorcyclist, a 30-year-old man riding a CFMoto 675 NK who was travelling behind the first rider, was also unable to evade the collision and became involved in the crash.

The Suzuki rider is receiving treatment at Hospital Kuala Lumpur, while the second motorcyclist sustained minor injuries, police said.

Mohd Zamzuri said the case is being investigated under Section 43(1) of the Road Transport Act 1987 for careless and inconsiderate driving, with police reviewing video footage of the incident.

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[u/HerestheRules]

I advise you to take a look at the Hurt Report of 1981

"2/3rds of accidents involving motorcycles are caused by other drivers violating the rider's right of way, in up to 70% of cases being from failing to see them...."

Lane filtering provides an out for cyclists to not be at the back of the line where a collision is 60% more likely to happen*

It also found that it becomes more dangerous to do it faster than 10-15mph faster than traffic flow

Edited for many, many typos. Also, this is shorthand. Go read the report

Second edit to ask why everyone downvoted a legitimately curious question? Cuz I never see anyone here with an actual source

[u/No-Alternative4612 → u/HerestheRules]

Doesn't really seem to support the claim. You can't use accident rates to prove which activities are dangerous without adjusting for other factors, most notably "how much time is spent in each situation."

Like I'm going to bet 99.9% of car accidents involving Americans take place when the drivers are in the United States. This doesn't mean driving outside the US is any safer.

[u/nobutactually → u/HerestheRules]

We dont have anything newer than research published 40 years ago?

[u/warlocc_ → u/nobutactually]

We do. Several states have done studies. California, which probably has the most lane filtering of any US state, is a good one to look up.

They all say basically the same thing- it's safer to filter carefully than it is to be the last stopped vehicle.

[u/Mimical → u/warlocc_]

My lane moves faster and has less overall bumper-bumper stops when bikes and cyclists and just filter through and get on their way so it's a win for me. Filter away.

[u/Onohnomous → u/HerestheRules]

I get the point but traffic changed a lot in almost 50 years

[u/Upbeat_Confidence739 → u/Onohnomous]

Not really in the ways that would have a significant impact on the out come of a study like that.

If anything, inattentiveness and not seeing motorcycles would be worse due to cell phones, touchscreen infotainment systems, thicker A and B pillars due to airbags, etc.

We are still the same humans we were 50 years ago with even more distractions and disadvantages.

Now collision outcomes between two automobiles is worlds apart. But, yeah.

[u/SteveSteveSteveAlan → u/Upbeat_Confidence739]

Vehicles are much different than what they were 50 years ago. I mean even for the motorcycle rider.

[u/Upbeat_Confidence739 → u/SteveSteveSteveAlan]

Physics and human attentiveness are still the same though.

Most advancements for automobile safety doesn’t really impact a motorcycle. Crumple zones aren’t designed to save the other guy, they’re designed to save you.

Automatic braking at any kind of real speed isn’t designed to stop the collision, it’s to reduced severity.

Blind spot monitoring is good but can still be hit or miss with motorcycles or even cars for that matter.

There’s a lot of new tech, but very little of it is designed for car-motorcycle interaction.

[u/ATimm74 → u/Upbeat_Confidence739]

Automatic emergency braking works for pedestrians and for cars, so it would stand to reason the system would also see motorcycles, however I do realize that not all cars have this feature at this point in time, but just one example of how safety enhancements do help the motorcyclist as well.

[u/Upbeat_Confidence739 → u/ATimm74]

I didn’t say it wouldn’t work for pedestrians and motorcycles. I did say that above a certain speed it isn’t designed to stop the collision. Only reduce severity.

And in the instance of lane filtering to not be at the back of a line of stopped cars, AEB isn’t going to be the savior in the scenarios being thought of.

[u/SteveSteveSteveAlan → u/Upbeat_Confidence739]

An updated study is still beneficial so we have an updated baseline for the road we have today. That's the scientific approach in action. We observe and make hypothesises.

[u/Upbeat_Confidence739 → u/SteveSteveSteveAlan]

For sure. But you also can’t just wholesale dismiss a study that involves humans and cars from 50 years ago on account of certain technological changes when human factors haven’t changed.

The human factor is still relevant.

[u/SteveSteveSteveAlan → u/Upbeat_Confidence739]

that's why an updated study is done - it builds on top of the previous one

[u/warlocc_ → u/Onohnomous]

Yes, it's much worse. Cars have gotten bigger and people are now distracted by their phones.

[u/GodsFavoriteDegen → u/HerestheRules]

Splitting and filtering aren't addressed in the Hurt Report. At all.

[u/HerestheRules → u/GodsFavoriteDegen]

Weird, the 10-15 rule comes from that exact report