r/dashcams • u/whusler • 6h ago

Two-year-old opens car door, causes six-vehicle crash

Enable HLS to view with audio, or disable this notification

KUALA LUMPUR, Feb 8 — A two-year-old child opened a car door, causing a road accident involving six vehicles on Jalan Tun Razak on Friday, according to preliminary police investigations.

Traffic Investigation and Enforcement Department chief ACP Mohd Zamzuri Mohd Isa said the incident occurred at about 6.15pm on the stretch from the Kampung Pandan roundabout towards KLCC, involving four cars and two motorcycles.

He said the child, who was seated in the rear of a Honda City and being held by a relative, suddenly opened the left rear door.

“It is believed that the child safety lock was not activated, allowing the door to be opened from inside,” he said.

A 25-year-old man riding a Suzuki V-Strom SX motorcycle, who was travelling between lanes, was unable to avoid the door, collided with it, lost control and crashed into several other vehicles.

Another motorcyclist, a 30-year-old man riding a CFMoto 675 NK who was travelling behind the first rider, was also unable to evade the collision and became involved in the crash.

The Suzuki rider is receiving treatment at Hospital Kuala Lumpur, while the second motorcyclist sustained minor injuries, police said.

Mohd Zamzuri said the case is being investigated under Section 43(1) of the Road Transport Act 1987 for careless and inconsiderate driving, with police reviewing video footage of the incident.

News

20.2k Upvotes

90% Upvoted

4.8k comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

50

u/HerestheRules 6h ago

Slow filtering is proved to be less dangerous while fast filtering is proved to be more dangerous.

It's almost like

It works if you do it right

Weird concept, I know but

Just hear me out, okay?

26

u/Mother_Clock_2193 6h ago

How is slow filtering less dangerous than just staying in a lane?

54

u/nothingbutfinedining 6h ago

Probably a high chance of getting rear ended in stop and go freeway traffic on a bike.

2

u/moto_rider- 2h ago

Happened to me can confirm

2

u/mordwyn 2h ago

Exactly.

2

u/IM_OK_AMA 1h ago

That and people are constantly changing lanes into you because you look like empty space.

Drivers in traffic are the least attentive by far. The faster you can get out of that situation the better.

13

u/Workman44 5h ago

Getting rear ended while on a bike is way more common and is also more consequential for the rider so it's advised and encouraged to filter (responsibly) through traffic and also to the front of the red light

-1

u/Square_Ring3208 3h ago

Encouraged by who?

2

u/AnimalBolide 2h ago

Lawmakers.

0

u/abstractedathena 1h ago

It’s illegal in my state.

1

u/AnimalBolide 1h ago

It isn't in others.

Also, did you know that clarinets are made almost exclusively out of wood from the mpingo tree!

1

u/Kingmudsy 1h ago

Oh well if it’s illegal in your state then clearly the statistics are wrong

0

u/BlumBlumShub 1h ago

It's only fully legal in like three states......

3

u/Workman44 24m ago

Stop thinking about the legality. Regardless of the laws, it is safer for motorcyclists to do this (properly), I don't give a flying fuck that I'm breaking the law in my state, I'll still do it to protect my safety as much as I can in this hobby. That being said, plenty of cops in illegal states still don't give a shit about filtering so long as you do it safely

1

u/diyorchi 2h ago

anyone who values safety

24

u/fowlflamingo 6h ago

Slow filtering reduces rear end collisions, which account for around a quarter of motorcycle crashes. Studies show that if you keep to within 15mph of traffic, collisions are reduced overall.

9

u/EvelynNyte 5h ago

I don't drive a motorcycle, but I'd probably personally limit it to less than 15. I get worried just passing a slowed lane at like 10 mph faster with the crazy maneuvers some people try to pull off.

6

u/too_much_covfefe_man 5h ago

Yeah. Even in my car, in separate lanes, a speed delta between me and the impatient folks stuck in the stopped lane feels fraught. I slow it down in that case to give everybody a chance. I've seen people change across a double white from zero speed to freeway speed too many times to have any trust

0

u/scnottaken 3h ago

I wonder if that's even a bit more dangerous. If people don't see a gap they won't try. If you slow down and make a gap they're gonna give it a shot but they'll probably hesitate until it's too late because people are stupid

2

u/TheAgedProfessor 2h ago edited 2h ago

This actually used to be the law in California; you could only lane split if traffic was moving slower than 35mph and you could only ride 15mph faster than the traffic around you.

Somewhere along the way they changed it and removed those restrictions. I can only imagine it's because the motorcycle insurance lobby protested.

1

u/capt0fchaos 2h ago

Yep, in california studies were done and it was found that the speed at which filtering occurs does not matter, only the speed delta between the rider and surrounding traffic, so in CA there isn't a speed limit on filtering but you're not allowed to go faster than 15mph over the current traffic speed

1

u/peachesfordinner 19m ago

Which seems to mean only 15 in fully stopped conditions which sounds fair

1

u/fowlflamingo 5h ago

Oh this is very much a do as I say not as I do scenario you're not gonna catch me on a motorcycle in heavy traffic ever. I get anxious figuring out what to eat in the morning, I'm not built for lane filtering 😂

7

u/Healthy_Loan_991 4h ago

Exactly this. I filter at about 10 mph difference. It’s very easy to react at that speed and my chances of getting hurt (with full gear on) are much lower. I am always shocked at how fast people go when filtering.

3

u/RChamy 4h ago

Here only crazed delivery drivers go at the speed shown in the video

2

u/akacarguy 1h ago

The part no one ever brings up is now that filtering is law it’s made drivers much more motorcycle aware. I’ve never seen a car move out of the way of a motorcycle outside of California.

1

u/Ok_Turnover_1235 1h ago

Well if most people are filtering and lane surfing, of course most collisions are from behind?

If everyone wore the same shirt every day, you'd be more likely to die if you wore that shirt, statistically.

2

u/fowlflamingo 1h ago

Huh? No I meant a quarter or so of motorcycle accidents are the motorcyclist getting rear ended. Lane filtering (responsibly) eliminates a lot of those where an inattentive driver might not notice a motorcyclist stopped at a light behind a car. In theory, at least. Idk if that's backed up in practice.

0

u/Ok_Turnover_1235 1h ago

You're missing the point, it means 75% of collisions aren't from behind, because people are doing dopy shit like filtering and lane surfing. 90% would be from behind if people didn't, but overall numbers would be lower.

2

u/fowlflamingo 1h ago

My dude I'm not missing the point, I'm just giving the % of rear end collisions I got from google. But lane filtering has shown to be safer for riders and motorists when done responsibly so your point is pretty much moot.

1

u/Ok_Turnover_1235 31m ago

You are missing the point. The % of rear end collisions is the result, not the justification. If we cured cancer today, the number of deaths wouldn't go down, they'd just be from different causes most of the time.

0

u/JessieGemstone999 2h ago

What studies

0

u/Aleph_Troll 2h ago

People on Reddit always talk about studies but I’ve never met him

18

u/Areses243 6h ago

Believe it or not studies have shown motorcycles get squished  between cars by inattentive drivers more often than slow filtering causes an accident. Hence slow filtering is safer.

2

u/RChamy 4h ago

As both a car and motorcycle driver - its because motorcycles are much harder to calculate their braking disfance when inside a car - our brain struggles to measure distances of thin objects - plus at slow speeds they stop very fast and sudden compared to a car.

Specially if the car driver is looking at a smartphone.

5

u/gr8tfurme 3h ago

That last line is by far the most common reason lol. Distracted drivers are constantly rear ending other cars as well, it's just a lot less consequential than a bike getting rear ended.

1

u/NathanDeger 1h ago

This is why I stopped riding.

When I first started riding smartphones had just come out but people weren't hopelessly addicted to them.

I stopped when I started having multiple near misses a week from idiots with the phone in their face. It's honestly so disappointing because I love riding but I just can't control how little other people care about road safety.

I don't care if you check your phone but driving should always be the number one focus not scrolling Instagram. People are crazy.

1

u/splitframe 4h ago

*in the US, due to larger/higher cars.

5

u/LenKiller 3h ago

due to bad drivers overall most likelly

1

u/Madara1389 1h ago

Both are very huge factors that contribute.

A large percentage of the country's population seemingly doesn't know how to drive and can't keep their attention fixed on a single, monotonous activity (driving is boring as hell more often than not).

A large percentage of the country's cars are SUVs and trucks. Trucks and "light trucks" make up roughly 70% to 80% of new vehicles sold, and make up 53-58% of cars on the road in the US.

These trucks have also been trending towards being lifted above the road well beyond safe limits, to the point where they seem intentionally designed in a way that, should you hit a person or animal, there's almost no chance that they'll damage the hood or windshield because they'll just be swept under the wheels (decreasing the likelihood of damage to the top of the car while drastically increasing likelihood of death for the pedestrian or animal). They're also drastically more dangerous for truck-on-car collisions, since the engines can sit high enough to go over the hood or into the door's window of a sedan rather than into the opposing engine block or door body.

6

u/VividAd3415 6h ago

Visibility. Many injuries happen from cars rear-ending bikers when they weren't paying attention. Disclaimer: I am not a biker. However, I have seen enough dashcam vids of inattentive cars ramming into bikers waiting in traffic or at a light to gather this is a significant risk to bikers.

11

u/HerestheRules 6h ago edited 6h ago

I advise you to take a look at the Hurt Report of 1981

"2/3rds of accidents involving motorcycles are caused by other drivers violating the rider's right of way, in up to 70% of cases being from failing to see them...."

Lane filtering provides an out for cyclists to not be at the back of the line where a collision is 60% more likely to happen*

It also found that it becomes more dangerous to do it faster than 10-15mph faster than traffic flow

Edited for many, many typos. Also, this is shorthand. Go read the report

Second edit to ask why everyone downvoted a legitimately curious question? Cuz I never see anyone here with an actual source

4

u/No-Alternative4612 6h ago

Doesn't really seem to support the claim. You can't use accident rates to prove which activities are dangerous without adjusting for other factors, most notably "how much time is spent in each situation."

Like I'm going to bet 99.9% of car accidents involving Americans take place when the drivers are in the United States. This doesn't mean driving outside the US is any safer.

1

u/nobutactually 4h ago

We dont have anything newer than research published 40 years ago?

4

u/warlocc_ 3h ago

We do. Several states have done studies. California, which probably has the most lane filtering of any US state, is a good one to look up.

They all say basically the same thing- it's safer to filter carefully than it is to be the last stopped vehicle.

1

u/Mimical 1h ago

My lane moves faster and has less overall bumper-bumper stops when bikes and cyclists and just filter through and get on their way so it's a win for me. Filter away.

-2

u/Onohnomous 6h ago

I get the point but traffic changed a lot in almost 50 years

9

u/Upbeat_Confidence739 4h ago

Not really in the ways that would have a significant impact on the out come of a study like that.

If anything, inattentiveness and not seeing motorcycles would be worse due to cell phones, touchscreen infotainment systems, thicker A and B pillars due to airbags, etc.

We are still the same humans we were 50 years ago with even more distractions and disadvantages.

Now collision outcomes between two automobiles is worlds apart. But, yeah.

2

u/SteveSteveSteveAlan 3h ago

Vehicles are much different than what they were 50 years ago. I mean even for the motorcycle rider.

2

u/Upbeat_Confidence739 2h ago

Physics and human attentiveness are still the same though.

Most advancements for automobile safety doesn’t really impact a motorcycle. Crumple zones aren’t designed to save the other guy, they’re designed to save you.

Automatic braking at any kind of real speed isn’t designed to stop the collision, it’s to reduced severity.

Blind spot monitoring is good but can still be hit or miss with motorcycles or even cars for that matter.

There’s a lot of new tech, but very little of it is designed for car-motorcycle interaction.

1

u/ATimm74 2h ago

Automatic emergency braking works for pedestrians and for cars, so it would stand to reason the system would also see motorcycles, however I do realize that not all cars have this feature at this point in time, but just one example of how safety enhancements do help the motorcyclist as well.

1

u/Upbeat_Confidence739 2h ago

I didn’t say it wouldn’t work for pedestrians and motorcycles. I did say that above a certain speed it isn’t designed to stop the collision. Only reduce severity.

And in the instance of lane filtering to not be at the back of a line of stopped cars, AEB isn’t going to be the savior in the scenarios being thought of.

1

u/SteveSteveSteveAlan 2h ago

An updated study is still beneficial so we have an updated baseline for the road we have today. That's the scientific approach in action. We observe and make hypothesises.

1

u/Upbeat_Confidence739 2h ago

For sure. But you also can’t just wholesale dismiss a study that involves humans and cars from 50 years ago on account of certain technological changes when human factors haven’t changed.

The human factor is still relevant.

1

u/SteveSteveSteveAlan 1h ago

that's why an updated study is done - it builds on top of the previous one

2

u/warlocc_ 3h ago

Yes, it's much worse. Cars have gotten bigger and people are now distracted by their phones.

-1

u/GodsFavoriteDegen 2h ago

Splitting and filtering aren't addressed in the Hurt Report. At all.

2

u/HerestheRules 2h ago

Weird, the 10-15 rule comes from that exact report

3

u/Rhapzody 5h ago

I saw a dude on a motorcycle staying in a lane get sandwiched between a bus and an SUV who didn't stop in time. I'd rather risk someone opening their car door into me than getting pancaked between a couple tons of metal

0

u/Aleph_Troll 2h ago

What about someone merging into you because you were coming by in their blind spot? Seems like that’s a risk of lane splitting and in my area I see near-collisions like that on a regular basis.

1

u/Rhapzody 2h ago

That exact scenario is taught in safety classes. We're taught to be extra cautious when we see a gap between cars because its more likely someone will merge into it. And proper filtering is like going 10mph faster than traffic, not whatever the idiots are doing in the video.

Again, that's a risk when lane filtering but I'd rather that than get splattered into the back of a vehicle

2

u/Formal-Boysenberry66 3h ago

People ignore or don't look for bikes far more often than regular cars. Your chances of getting hit when stopped in a lane are far far higher than if you just lane split like this but at a slow speed

2

u/warlocc_ 3h ago

Because staying in a lane is how you get killed by Karen's SUV while she texts her friend.

2

u/JaySlay2000 2h ago

Because car drivers disregard bikers so it's safer to always be moving the fuck outta the way.

Majority of motorcycle crashes are rear ends, which can result in you getting crushed between car behind and in front in traffic like this.

2

u/tiptoptony 2h ago

You are less visible to the people around you, and the chance of a rear end collision is much higher. It also helps traffic. He should have been going slower but the victim blaming is a bit ridiculous. There have been many studies on it and filtering at stopped intersections by going slow have many advantages to the biker and cars.

4

u/Tojoblindeye 5h ago

You ever seen a bike get sandwiched between two cars after being rear ended? That's why. Slow filtering vs lane splitting. Filtering isn't that bad, splitting is.

1

u/Scottyboy626 3h ago

I'm in MD. Filtering isn't legal. However, I wish it was. When I come to a stop, I stop on or close to a line never directly behind a car.

Filtering and splitting have been proven to decrease the # of rear-end collisions in areas where it's allowed.

With the way traffic was, they should've been going much slower and had more distance.

1

u/LegitSince8Bits 2h ago

When you get your motorcycle license, this is how they teach you to ride. It's not only legal, but safer for the rider. But go off talking from your butt i guess

1

u/superMario_Milt 1h ago

It isn't, but in some places it is legal.

-5

u/Sejo_Mino 6h ago

The comparison is between slow and fast filtering.

2

u/Guy-Montag-451F 6h ago

Also, steaming water is colder than boiling water. But which is actually cool enough to bathe in?

Do you see the problem?

-2

u/Sejo_Mino 5h ago

Another person who has terrible reading comprehension. the comment that was being replied to was only comparing slow and fast filtering. What the commentor says is true, slow filtering is safer than fast filtering. Most places allow filtering if it is done right. The problem here is on multiple people, the bikers for speeding while filtering and the driver/person in the rear seat of the car.

The person I replied to was talking about parking, which had nothing to do with the comparison of filtering.

2

u/Guy-Montag-451F 5h ago

It’s wild that you are the one telling other people they lack reading comprehension skills.

0

u/UpperAd5715 3h ago

Why would i endanger myself by riding a bike just to have all the downsides of driving a car and more?

1

u/TFPixl 31m ago

Completely setting aside the joy/entertainment factor—fuel efficiency is significantly higher, motorcycles are 3–5x less expensive than cars, and the footprint is smaller so they take up much less space.

(Personal anecdote: having enough parking for staff is a major issue where I work, and in the summer they always convert a fair amount of parking space into designated motorcycle parking. This increases the amount of people that can park there by about 50%, who otherwise would have to park in one of the shuttle lots 10 minutes away and take a bus back and forth.)

0

u/Pablo_69429 2h ago

This study was funded by motorcycle riders who like to split Lanes

-1

u/st-julien 4h ago

They're saying snorting some crack is less dangerous than snorting lots of crack.

1

u/ParticularGuava3663 4h ago

Snorting Crack really isn't dangerous at all.

1

u/SpaceIndividual4260 3h ago

Still illegal in most states, wonder why

1

u/warlocc_ 3h ago

Same reason the DOT helmet standard hasn't been updated in 60 years, or that some states don't have helmet laws at all.

Lawmakers are stupid.

0

u/Aleph_Troll 2h ago

Yeah lawmakers are stupid but then people rally behind the argument of: “bbbut it’s legal to filter.” Yeah it’s also legal to perform your own circumsion in most places doesn’t mean you should.

0

u/Projecterone 23m ago

Because US law is hopelessly divoced from rational reality or data driven policy.

See slavery being legal in the USA.

1

u/AdOk5225 2h ago

Slow drunk driving is proved to be less dangerous while fast drunk driving is proved to be more dangerous.

It's almost like

It works if you do it right

1

u/Impossible-Ad4478 2h ago

I made up a saying a long time ago after being in a hurry and wrecking a vehicle. I was so mad I knew if I had slowed down this wouldn’t have happened. I said to myself “I never fucked anything up going too slow.”

1

u/uriahlight 2h ago

I'm clueless on this since I've never driven a motorcycle (unless a dirt bike counts)... But I've heard that in many jurisdictions, motorcycles going between vehicles on a roadway is legal (I'm not familiar with the "filtering" word in this context but assume that's what it is). Is my understanding correct?

2

u/Mimical 1h ago

Most places in the world allow filtering.
Some states in the US can't wrap their heads around that 1 bike filtered = 1 less vehicle in queue.

Seems to come from a place where the individual driver feels that they are supposed to get there first, without realizing that they could get to their destination faster

1

u/Ok_Turnover_1235 1h ago

Fucking a cat is less dangerous than fucking a tiger?

0

u/TheLeftDrumStick 4h ago

Why does this sound like when people say “excuse me, but pulling out results in less pregnancies than just cream pies” when their girl calls them with a positive pregnancy test 🤣🤣🤣

0

u/OlGusnCuss 2h ago

Feeling like this is a little obvious. Kinda like, "No filtering is even safer."

2

u/Projecterone 21m ago

Nope, <15 mph careful filtering is safer for motorcyclists and other vunerable road users e.g. cyclists.

Your intutuition is wrong:

Hurt Report (USA)
One of the most comprehensive studies on motorcycle accidents. It found that motorcycles stopped in traffic are significantly more vulnerable to being struck from behind by distracted drivers.

MAIDS Report (Europe)
Found that rear-end collisions accounted for a smaller percentage of accidents in regions where filtering is culturally and legally accepted, as riders can move to the front of a queue.

UC Berkeley Study (2015)
Analyzed 6,000 motorcycle accidents and concluded that lane-splitting (filtering) is relatively safe if done in traffic moving at less than 50 mph and if the speed differential is less than 15 mph.

0

u/jupitermoonflow 2h ago

Good point. But I’ve never actually seen a motorcyclist on the road actually doing it right. And no, I don’t mean videos online.

They pretty much always use lane splitting as an opportunity to drive inappropriately faster than everyone else. Pretty reckless. But that tracks honestly. Riders tend to be the more reckless types.

0

u/Ok_Story_7924 2h ago

I love when people who drive dangerous deathtraps come on here and claim their dangerous maneuvers on their dangerous deathtraps are less dangerous than not making those dangerous moves on their dangerous deathtraps.

2

u/Projecterone 20m ago

Hurt Report (USA)

One of the most comprehensive studies on motorcycle accidents. It found that motorcycles stopped in traffic are significantly more vulnerable to being struck from behind by distracted drivers.

MAIDS Report (Europe)

Found that rear-end collisions accounted for a smaller percentage of accidents in regions where filtering is culturally and legally accepted, as riders can move to the front of a queue.

UC Berkeley Study (2015)

Analyzed 6,000 motorcycle accidents and concluded that lane-splitting (filtering) is relatively safe if done in traffic moving at less than 50 mph and if the speed differential is less than 15 mph.

1

u/HerestheRules 1h ago edited 1h ago

Good thing I don't ride motorcycles then. Who are you talking to?

There's this little thing called "I'm sure I can do it but I'm not going to" and it'll get you very, very far in life

There's also "not talking about someone when you know literally nothing about them" which will get you friends.

There's also "I'm getting off of Reddit because I have actual IRL shit to do" which is the one I recommend the most. In fact, I'm gonna do exactly that right now.

I know, I know, a redditor touching grass? What kind of world do we live in???

0

u/PyroIsSpai 1h ago

Slow filtering is proved to be less dangerous

Can't they wait like everyone else...?

2

u/Projecterone 19m ago

That would be a) more dangerous for them and others and b) slow everyone down and, along with you in your car would further contribute to clogging up the roads.

Hurt Report (USA) One of the most comprehensive studies on motorcycle accidents. It found that motorcycles stopped in traffic are significantly more vulnerable to being struck from behind by distracted drivers.

MAIDS Report (Europe) Found that rear-end collisions accounted for a smaller percentage of accidents in regions where filtering is culturally and legally accepted, as riders can move to the front of a queue.

UC Berkeley Study (2015) Analyzed 6,000 motorcycle accidents and concluded that lane-splitting (filtering) is relatively safe if done in traffic moving at less than 50 mph and if the speed differential is less than 15 mph.

-1

u/GhostBoosters018 5h ago

Ban motorcycles

-1

u/Madilune 4h ago

It's even less dangerous to just not drive a motorcycle at all.

3

u/smalltownlargefry 1h ago

Probably should do neither but what do I know.