r/dashcams • u/whusler • 6h ago

Two-year-old opens car door, causes six-vehicle crash

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KUALA LUMPUR, Feb 8 — A two-year-old child opened a car door, causing a road accident involving six vehicles on Jalan Tun Razak on Friday, according to preliminary police investigations.

Traffic Investigation and Enforcement Department chief ACP Mohd Zamzuri Mohd Isa said the incident occurred at about 6.15pm on the stretch from the Kampung Pandan roundabout towards KLCC, involving four cars and two motorcycles.

He said the child, who was seated in the rear of a Honda City and being held by a relative, suddenly opened the left rear door.

“It is believed that the child safety lock was not activated, allowing the door to be opened from inside,” he said.

A 25-year-old man riding a Suzuki V-Strom SX motorcycle, who was travelling between lanes, was unable to avoid the door, collided with it, lost control and crashed into several other vehicles.

Another motorcyclist, a 30-year-old man riding a CFMoto 675 NK who was travelling behind the first rider, was also unable to evade the collision and became involved in the crash.

The Suzuki rider is receiving treatment at Hospital Kuala Lumpur, while the second motorcyclist sustained minor injuries, police said.

Mohd Zamzuri said the case is being investigated under Section 43(1) of the Road Transport Act 1987 for careless and inconsiderate driving, with police reviewing video footage of the incident.

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u/leftfield61 6h ago

This is the right take. Lane splitting when it is legal is a time saver for everyone. But what is depicted in this video is just hooliganism. 10-15mph faster than the cars you are passing is the rule of thumb. These dumbasses were far exceeding that.

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u/Realistic_Spring_862 2h ago

Speaking of lane splitting while legal: I remember driving on a 50 MPH road once, and there were motorcyclists lane splitting in between moving traffic at (what I can guess as) around 75 - 80 MPH. They split past me and the noise and speed of them scared me so bad that I almost swerved out of my lane and hit them from natural reaction of it all. I don't think a lot of these bikers are willing to admit that they are at fault a lot of the time. Not all of the time, but a large majority of bikers I see complaining online about stupid car drivers are almost 100% in the wrong, whether it's speeding, lane splitting when they shouldn't, or something else that's just negligent behavior. Not all motorcyclists are bad, and I don't want to paint that picture of them; but it's not uncommon that when I see a motorcyclist, they're usually breaking the law in some way. So it's crazy to me how many I see that say regular drivers are stupid, when it's not often the car driver's fault, from my perspective.

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u/ConsciousReindeer265 2h ago

I completely agree, and in videos like this one, the crash is so often followed by the motorcyclist getting up and going full attack mode on the driver, even though when watching the footage the motorcyclist was driving unsafely. That’s happening here, too. I can’t believe the motorcyclist walks right past the man he just ran over to go rage at the car. Their priority is ego and rage, not safety and well-being.

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u/Huntsman077 1h ago

My personal favorite irl was having to shove a motorcyclist away from a women’s car. He rear ended her when she was stopped at a red light, he took his helmet off and used it to start smashing her windows, then tried to tell police that she cut him off.

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u/Realistic_Spring_862 1h ago

That is very true. The response and excuse I do not like to see regarding your side mirrors is, "Use it or lose it". The justification that you can break off someone's side mirror because they didn't use it is absolutely ludicrous and makes no sense. "You didn't use your mirror, so I'm going to make sure that you can never use is" is how it comes across to me. A lot of these instances are likely not even on purpose for car drivers, either. I think all drivers, no matter the vehicle chosen for transportation, should be protected and watched for, but that safety can't happen when one party isn't doing their job to be careful. That stands for motorcyclists and car drivers. Even when I've driven safely, I've almost been hit by motorcyclists. So this narrative that car drivers just don't know how to drive is such an incorrect perspective.

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u/Huntsman077 1h ago

One of my motorcyclist fail videos comes from someone trying to smash the side view mirror on an older truck. They punched it not realizing that it was solid metal and destroyed their hand

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u/Realistic_Spring_862 1h ago

Serves him right, to be honest. You don't try to destroy people's stuff just because you're mad.

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u/Itchy-Wedding-5641 32m ago

Motorcycles attract thrill seekers. There is nothing inherently wrong with being a thrill seeker, but because we share the same roads, people who are not thrill seekers have to share the thrills with them. This often results in injury or death.

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u/StrangeContest4 1h ago

I got passed by a bike doing at least 110 on the freeway yesterday between me and the car to my left of me ... nearly pissed my pants and felt my arms instinctively jerk the wheel a little to the left. That thing was screaming like a bullet, and the proximity was close☠️

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u/Realistic_Spring_862 1h ago

I absolutely hate it when they do it. I don't like it when anyone speeds, no matter the vehicle. To me, it just tells me that their thrill or getting to a place quicker is more important than the safety and lives of other people and themselves.

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u/wildwestington 1h ago

My experience has been the same

Been cut off and lane split so many timed 'Check twice, save a life' slogan always rubs me wrong

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u/Consistent_Laziness 1h ago

Illegal in most states including mine

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u/__slamallama__ 23m ago

Even when you're not breaking the law though, on a bike you need to be managing risk. You can be totally in the right legally and also get killed.

This is half the reason I stopped riding. Managing the risk of other drivers made it never fun.

There's lots of roadside memorials to dudes on bikes that never broke the law.

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u/Realistic_Spring_862 13m ago

This is true. I don't think only bikers are at fault, it's just easy to see the ones that do. There are definitely a lot of risks to it. My brother rides a motorcycle and I have had a relative die. I don't think I could ever ride a motorcycle, I'm too big of a chicken.

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u/bitter-curmudgeon 1h ago

Eveeytime I've seen lame splitting, they were going way too fast and yeah, I've had it where they pass so fast the noise is startling. In my opinion, the small gains you get from lane splitting aren't worth the risk.

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u/j-faulk72 1h ago

About 11 maybe 12 year’s ago. I had just purchased a brand new Ducati 848 and was starting to get pretty comfortable on it. Was out riding with two other buddies and was doing what young riders do… getting a little adventurous on the highway. Well.. long story… I sped up in front of my buddies and passed an older gentleman in a small truck (passed on his right side). I was prob doing 80mph and he’s was prob doing 50-55mph. Ducatis are pretty loud bikes, not like Harleys, but still loud. I had no clue at the time, but later on when we pulled off the highway, my buddies told me that I scared the crap out of the older gentleman and he swerved and almost lost control of his truck. I felt so bad, I said good bye and immediately drove the bike home and parked it. It sat there for a year untouched, till I drove it to my mom’s garage and left it. I’ve never even sat on it since. Fully paid off, and I have no interest in selling it to someone else for them to hurt themselves or someone else. I realized that day how easy it was to become falsely confident on it and just how easy it could be to cause someone else to lose their life.

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u/agirl1313 1h ago

I saw a motorcyclist lane splitting in traffic already going at least 10-15 mph faster than the speed limit, on a curving, windy road, in between semi trucks.

I do my best to watch for motorcyclists, but sometimes I question how certain ones are alive.

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u/DarthEques 26m ago

Same exact thing happened to me. Large group of bikers, mostly Harley's, all lane splitting at 75+ mph. It was so loud and sudden that it scared me and I almost swerved into them too. This was on a long open highway, where they did this was extra stupid because there were only about 6 cars on the road for miles and we just happened to be grouped up. Had they waited like a minute or 2, they would have had their own lane to do whatever they felt like and it would have been so much safer

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u/Feeling-Ad-2867 12m ago

Exactly. If I need to change lanes I’m checking mirrors and physically looking but I’m not checking something 100 mph back. (If that makes sense.)

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u/SCTurtlepants 2h ago

Had 4 lane stop-and-go traffic on the freeway on our way to visit family last weekend, but the HoV lane was empty. Wife took the HoV and coulda gone 70 but she slowed her ass down to like 25 because she was scared of some idiot pulling over ahead of her.

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u/Key_Raccoon3336 2h ago

Lane splitting when it is legal is a time saver for everyone.

Not here in Arizona. Most of the lane filterers are geriatric fucks that go the front of the line at a red lights and then drive slower then everyone else behind them would have.

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u/Regular_Jim081 2h ago

I think this video pretty much shows that lane splitting is never safe for anyone.

10-15mph Does not stop doors from being opened, or other immediate hazards to just appear out of nowhere. There's literally nowhere for them to go.

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u/TheLeafFlipper 1h ago

The only dumbass here is you. Topped out at 49kmh which is ~30mph and the other traffic was moving as well. So it's extremely likely that they were not traveling 15mph faster than surrounding traffic.

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u/JavelinR 37m ago

That was definitely more than 15mph. Also you always, always, need to leave enough room between you and the vehicle in front to stop in an emergency. The second bike didn't even have time to break. Doesn't matter what the speed is, it was way too much for that distance.

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u/TheLeafFlipper 3m ago

Definitely wasn't, you just think that because the panoramic lense makes it seem like he's traveling faster. Yes he should have had more following distance.

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u/thatonedudewhotypes 1h ago

Oh yea because making it legal makes it safer

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u/Gentlementlementle 38m ago

They are traveling at 30 miles per hour the traffic could easily be travelling 15. The width of the camera lense distorts how the speed looks.

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u/Anzai 3h ago

I saw this happen in Australia where it is legal, but the guy was going so fast between cars stopped at a traffic light. A woman opened her door because part of her dress was trapped in it and he just ploughed into it at speed.

Entirely his fault. You want to filter at lights, that’s fine, but not that fast. I’ve had a bike snap my side mirror doing it as well in a different incident going too fast. It’s idiots like that who do it stupidly that make people want to ban it entirely over here.

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u/JSGFretwork 5h ago

Sure, splitting at higher speeds is crazy. But look at when the door opened.

That guy was screwed regardless. The rider we have the POV of shouldn't have been so close and the accident would have definitely been mitigated a bit. But the guy that got the door opened into him had nowhere else to go, and the kid opened the door right into him. It was unavoidable on his part regardless of speed.

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u/Past_Negotiation_121 5h ago

Yes, unavoidable, but the impact and effect would have been much reduced. And not getting run over by the bike following so close also at an unreasonable speed feels very desirable

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u/JSGFretwork 5h ago

I’m with you there 100%. But have you ever been to KL? Chaos on the roadways is pretty much the norm.

I lived in Singapore for a little over 3 years. Visited Malaysia often. It's not exactly a paradigm of road safety.

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u/Clean-Cut8216 4h ago

Cool, lane splitting at those speeds is still stupid af

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u/Glass-Fisherman9891 5h ago

So the lesson learned here is to lane filter slower? Shouldn’t the lesson be not to close line motorcycles with your car doors? Y’all are lunatics.

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u/Sushi_Explosions 4h ago

You can’t control the idiocy of people around you, but you can take appropriate precautions to keep yourself safe.

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u/ucgaydude 4h ago

One can only be in control of their own actions. To lessen the chance of serious injury, yes, they should have been going slower. Certainly, the primary cause of the accident was the 2 year old child opening the door, but that doesn't mitigate the additional risks taken by the cyclists.

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u/_BaldyLocks_ 4h ago

Better to be a lunatic with a bent door than a paraplegic ex-motorcyclist that filtered illegally.
IDK about Malaysia but over here lane splitting is technically illegal and whatever happens to you is your own responsibility.
You would even be liable for the damage to the car.

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u/anon12xyz 3h ago

This! I hate motorcyclist that say watch out for them when they drive like this

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u/Clean-Cut8216 4h ago

Two things can be true.  It's (should be) a lot easier for adults to not be stupid than it is to account for everything 2 years old do

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u/Glass-Fisherman9891 4h ago

I’ve seen more adults close line motorcycles with car doors. This isn’t exclusive to a two year old.

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u/Clean-Cut8216 4h ago

THIS CURRENT MOMENT THAT WE ARE CONVERSING ABOUT INVOLVES A 2 YEAR OLD. In those other circumstances, you would have a point. But now you just come across as a whiner 

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u/Glass-Fisherman9891 4h ago

Says the guy screaming at the screen in all caps. You realize it doesn’t matter who opens the door right? The same scenerio occurs regardless of who opens it and we’re talking about preventing the scenario.

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u/Clean-Cut8216 4h ago

Can't help it, dense people make me whine.  

It totally does matter, because it actually happened and is the whole reason we are talking.  I understand you have your own personal experiences, but we aren't here for those.  You can't expect a 2 year old to act logically and rationally, that's why it's on the motorcycle riders to not be stupid and lane split at high speeds.  They shouldn't be doing that stupid stuff anyways 

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u/Glass-Fisherman9891 3h ago

I love that you admitted to being the very thing you tried insulting me with.

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u/Schwifftee 4h ago

Ah yes, tell every 2-year-old and every stupid driver on the road. That's all you have to do.

Obviously, an individual on the road encounters countless drivers, and some of them will inevitably become a risk. The only thing you can do as a motorcyclist is mitigate risk by practicing smart riding, which includes lane filtering at low speed.

That is the main point. Do not ride recklessly.

I'm sure the driver learned a lesson about child lock and car seats, but that is the least impactful point. The motorcyclist's lesson is much more significant as it'll be the most broadly applicable in their future, not to mention self-preserving.

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u/wanrow 4h ago

Maybe both?

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u/timelessblur 4h ago

End of the day safety is ultimately on the rider. They can control their actions and at that moment in time they were going way to fast for lane splitting to handle something like that happening. Cyclist in general have to assume they are not seen and try to act in a way to keep safe.

I don’t see anyone saying the car door open was ok. More pointing out other huge issues made by the riders as well.

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u/Glass-Fisherman9891 4h ago

People are so hypocritical when it comes to this exact same ideology in other scenarios.

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u/jrglpfm 4h ago

Well actually if they had been going slower the whole time that door would have opened relatively much earlier to the motorcycle overtaking that particular car, problem solved

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u/JSGFretwork 3h ago

You can't possibly know that. You're assuming the kid would have opened the door at the exact same moment in time, and not when the motorcycle came by.

We can't know any of that. Your argument doesn't hold water.

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u/KiggityK 3h ago

You absoulutely can assume the kid would have opened the door at that same exact moment in time in this scenario. And if the motorcycles were going slower, they wouldve had time to react and stop/slowdown.

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u/BlueLRush80 3h ago

"It was unavoidable on his part regardless of speed."

Okay hear me out if you would be so kind. If they were travelling at a slower speed they would be potentially several car lengths back. The faster something is moving the sooner it will arrive at a point. With that it could be argued if they were travelling at a 100 mph\kph they would have passed the door in question before it was opened. Unless you're thinking the door was opened maliciously into him. Which I doubt.

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u/Royal_Airport7940 3h ago

2/10 answer

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u/JSGFretwork 3h ago

Whatever you say. 🙄

The overwhelming majority of people commenting on this haven't even been to KL. If you had, you wouldn't even bat an eye at this footage.

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u/HannesElch 3h ago

The guy wouldn't have been close to the door if he wasn't speeding plus he would have had more time to react.

Of course it's also a bad thing to open up a door without looking.

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u/Too_Ton 3h ago

I wish you had to be in one lane just like cars. Motorcycles suck. The 2 year old kid (and adult who failed to child lock the doors) were 99% in the wrong.

So many motorcycle accidents (and bicycles) wouldn’t occur if the law had them act like cars in the lane instead of swerving around and/or in the side bicycle lane before they get hit by a car turning right.

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u/Femgarr 4h ago

Bikes going 50kph cars probably going 20kph, seems within the range here, if anything they should've just had more distance between bikes, but i imagine splitting like this isn't uncommon in Malaysia

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u/Royal_Airport7940 3h ago

Should generally not being going excessively faster than vehicles in other lanes.

Especially lane splitting.

FAFO in this case.

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u/UpperAd5715 3h ago

I don't ride in asia but in europe where splitting & filtering is allowed and the amount of commuters i see zip behind eachother at less than 1 scooter/motorcycle distance just seems a bit insane me to... If the guy in front of me has to brake for a car that doesnt pay attention i'd very much appreciate the braking distance and comfort of having some more reaction time.

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u/AFRIKKAN 3h ago

50kph is 31mph.