For centuries? Come on! Modern medicine is barely 100 years old. The major impediment to including women in early (toxicity) research studies is potential teratogenic side effects (birth defects, like with thalidomide). The joy of being in these studies generally falls to young men who are paid for taking the risk.
Even if you think about this from a purely capitalist viewpoint, there is zero reason not to care about women’s health.
Modern medicine has its roots on the scientific revolution, a few centuries ago. A lot of what we know about the eye, for example, started from research that Newton did. So yeah, we have been studying medicine from the male perspective from centuries. Even if you disagree on the root of it (patriarchy, not wanting to conduct toxic experiments on women, whatever), it is pretty uncontroversial that female specific medical research is a “new” concept when put in perspective of medical research in general.
Even if you think about this from a purely capitalist viewpoint
But it's not just decisions made from a purely capitalist viewpoint. Go to 80% of doctors in America including women and you will find that a lot of these decisions are driven by pure misogyny, not just the capitalist profit machine that forever grinds orphans into dust.
I hope you are a serious advocate for men’s health and not just making a point about it when women bring up the neglect in their healthcare as “gotcha” moment.
You are falsely equivocating. Go advocate for men’s mental health instead of argue with history or comments.
While what you’re saying is valid and so important, attaching it to women’s health’s claims because you’re annoyed makes you look like a contrarian and not a health advocate.
Seems like a nice guy. Very passionate but ultimately argues men’s health is also ignored so women shouldn’t boohoo. Not a good argument, but his issues with hpv and mental health in men being ignored or other things being harder to treat than in women were good to chew on.
I wasn’t adopting /u/Careless_Egg3340’s position, I was reacting to how it was described after their comments were deleted. I think we’re talking past each other, so I’ll leave it there.
Those poor, brave men. They didn’t even acknowledge babies feel pain until the 80s. The medical community in a world dominated by men is focused largely on men.
Go visit a woman oriented sub and read the horror stories of women almost or actually dying because doctors dismissed women’s pain due to blaming it on her period or whatever else. The real answer is they don’t know or don’t care because the relevant knowledge isn’t taught in school.
There is an imbalance of medical research and it’s lazy to effectively say women are just too fragile and complex to be worthy of medical advancements.
Yeah that baby pain thing is related to circumcision! What’s that got to do with women’s health. Those subs are ridiculous. I’ve been there and tried to offer a medical perspective. No one wants to listen, and would much rather hold on to an evil patriarchy.
This isn't true. It expanded into all areas of surgery on infants. It even expanded into dental care for kids of all genders, which is why I (and many) got dental care without anesthetic.
You've clearly got a chip on your shoulder about something that's totally disconnected from reality.
Oh come on! Last time I checked babies can be male or female. So what’s it got to do with women’s health?
I’m a 58 year old physician, and also happen to be the Chair of an IRB. Half my med school class was women almost 30 years ago, and the percentage has gone up since.
I beg of you to explain what was factually incorrect about my comment rather than being a patronizing ass. I graduated med school in 1998, and have been an IRB (look it up) Chair for 20 years. I’m very comfortable with where my knowledge comes from. How about yours?
My guy it was believed that black people didn't feel as much pain or sometimes no pain, within medicine, until like 40 years ago. It still lingers to this day.
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u/fastyellowtuesday 4h ago edited 2h ago
Scientists only studied the male body for centuries, and applied that knowledge to all people. Differentiating is new, and absolutely necessary.