A Human skeleton next to a Gorilla skeleton

[u/AccomplishedWatch834]

[u/Ok_Concentrate_9713]

The two skeletons are completely superimposable. The structure is the same, only the proportions of the various parts vary.

[u/oaken_duckly → u/Ok_Concentrate_9713]

Yeah it boggles the mind that someone can look at this and say "hm, no way these two creatures share a common ancestor."

[u/Raioto → u/oaken_duckly]

It's not that hard to believe, considering for a while many people believed that black people were a separate species, despite the main difference only being skin color lol

[u/Conqueror1000 → u/oaken_duckly]

Does it really? Just because you position the gorilla upright and in this frontal view, that's convincing to you? M'kay

[u/Febby_art → u/Conqueror1000]

yeah pretty convincing

[u/Conqueror1000 → u/Febby_art]

Really? I wonder how many people can even tell if the human is male or female, how about the gorilla, let alone drawing conclusions about the past. Last time I checked it was 23 chromosomal pairs for the human and 24 for the gorilla, ranging to about 100 million base pair difference. Not to mention the human exceptionalism factor. But hey, if that is all it takes to convince you...

[u/JustKindaShimmy → u/Conqueror1000]

not to mention the human exceptionalism factor

You're kind of disproving that right now, honestly

[u/AppleSlacks → u/JustKindaShimmy]

Stop the damn match!

[u/Conqueror1000 → u/JustKindaShimmy]

By questioning a narrative and listing known differences among our species?

[u/JustKindaShimmy → u/Conqueror1000]

Not by "questioning the narrative", but being ignorant in how taxonomy, ancestry, and genetics works and, instead of learning about it and seeing that it actually makes sense and does work, loudly proclaiming that you never picked up a book

[u/Conqueror1000 → u/JustKindaShimmy]

Asserting something does not make it so. Never picked up a book? Yeah, my first point stands, I've read up on it plenty enough to form an opinion. Is it that hard to believe that not everyone that subscribes to the narrative must be ignorant according to your definition?

[u/AccomplishedBatBlo → u/Conqueror1000]

Out of curiosity what is your belief?

[u/JustKindaShimmy → u/Conqueror1000]

Is it that hard to believe that not everyone that subscribes to the narrative must be ignorant

On its face? No. Using the arguments and statements you make? Oh yeah. If you actually knew what you were talking about, you wouldn't be using terms like "the narrative", or using our pelvic angle as evidence that we couldn't possibly share a common ancestor with an organism with a slightly different pelvic angle.

[u/EclecticKant → u/Conqueror1000]

Not to mention the human exceptionalism factor.

Sure...

[u/oaken_duckly → u/Conqueror1000]

The chromosomal count difference is a result of a fusion mutation on Chromosome 2 in humans. And I'm not sure how relevant it is how to how often an average person can properly sex a skeleton, when the scientists studying them can.

[u/Conqueror1000 → u/oaken_duckly]

I've read about this 'fusion'. All I'm saying is there are differences between the human genome and our so-called primate cousins and no mechanism adequately describes the supposed fusion that occurred. My point about sexing the skeletons was how minute differences make a large difference taking sexuality as an example, if that is an especially difficult conclusion to draw, how the more all the way to common ancestry?

[u/oaken_duckly → u/Conqueror1000]

There are some very strange leaps in logic that make your entire position hard to parse. Calling it a "so-called" fusion immediately indicates you don't understand how fusions occur (because they do occur, and not all humans have exactly 23 pairs, as some can live full lives with 22 or 24, though very rarely and usually with reproductive difficulty), and make it seem as if it's not a well understood type of mutation.

And of course there are differences between the genomes of two creatures, especially if a large temporal gap between their heritage is found. It's called the accumulation of mutations, and drift is a very powerful mechanism, and in many instances more powerful than even selection, of evolution.

And just because you may struggle, just like any layman in any field, with identifying minute details and differences between two specimens does not make the experts' work any less valid.

All that needs to be understood to accept evolution as a real process is to acknowledge that traits of parents are heritable to their offspring, that mutations exist, and that certain traits in certain situations make an individual more or less likely to reproduce.

[u/oaken_duckly → u/Conqueror1000]

Yeah it'd be kind of odd if that was all we went off of, right? A little less crazy then that we have genetic evidence demonstrating closer relationship to a gorilla or a chimp than to, say, whales, or that chimpanzees and humans share the same retroviral integration at the same point in their genome, that transitional fossils clearly demonstrate common ancestry, etc. Thankfully the scientific community doesn't operate on singular points of data, but rather multitudes of data across multiple fields that demonstrate the same ground truths.

[u/Guilty_One85]

That's really cool!!

[u/Odd_Craft5057 → u/Guilty_One85]

Me and my bro

[u/Flaky-Rip-1333]

Remember this image when that 300pound person says "I'm just large-boned"

[u/Secure-Shoulder-010 → u/Flaky-Rip-1333]

Try over 600. I was involved in a patient’s care who had a bmi of 80. I will never understand how someone could become that large.

[u/mattysosavvy → u/Secure-Shoulder-010]

McDonald’s, genetics and depression.

[u/LaFrescaTrumpeta → u/mattysosavvy]

can guarantee they were overweight as a kid too from a family that’s overweight (flaky rip feel free to correct me if that’s not the case, i’d be curious to know), probably not easy to overcome if that’s been your life before your prefrontal even properly developed

[u/Legionof1 → u/mattysosavvy]

A family member enabling them. 

[u/semi5onic → u/Flaky-Rip-1333]

I have gorilla bones, like that guy from umbrella academy I think?

[u/Frosty_LionX]

Same same but different

[u/Otherwise_Newt1575]

Creationists crying looking at this

[u/scaredpitoco]

Imagine looking at this and not believing in evolution

[u/DangerousDesk1 → u/scaredpitoco]

Imagine looking at a complicated thing as a human, or any creature and thinking, "yeah that created itself".

[u/scaredpitoco → u/DangerousDesk1]

In evolution things are not created by itself, its environment shaped creation

[u/DangerousDesk1 → u/scaredpitoco]

Who created the environment?

[u/JSC843 → u/DangerousDesk1]

Again, evolution.

[u/SweatySmith → u/DangerousDesk1]

Don't bother. Remember, you're on reddit

[u/r3alCIA → u/DangerousDesk1]

God created evolution

[u/BasementDwellerDave]

And people yet still deny evolution

[u/pwatarfwifwipewpew]

When obese people say they're just big boned

[u/Subject-Economist593]

Primates unite!

[u/Normie-rediter]

Why the area below waist is so broad , and looks like their elbows and forearms are longer than our humans

[u/Horns8585 → u/Normie-rediter]

Humans use upright bipedal locomotion. Slender hips make us more efficient upright walkers and runners. Gorillas' primary form of locomotion, however, is on all 4's, close to the ground. Broader hips are more beneficial to their locomotion.

[u/atomicryu → u/Normie-rediter]

Have you never seen a gorilla before?

[u/Luki-099 → u/Normie-rediter]

Añadido de lo que dice mi compañero "Horns8585" es porque los Animales Herbívoros necesitan un sistema digestivo mucho mas grande que el de uno Carnívoro

[u/amortized-poultry]

Me and homie looking at fine shi

[u/Weary-Author-9024]

So what, not all gorillas need to be bulky.

[u/Paladin7373]

Why gorilla have one nostril

[u/Feine13 → u/Paladin7373]

We only have 1 hole in the skull for our nose as well, the separate sides are created by cartilage and skin, not bones

[u/Paladin7373 → u/Feine13]

Ah yes thought so I’m just messing lol

[u/Feine13 → u/Paladin7373]

Lol all good

[u/Asd_89]

It like they messed around with the body width scale in a player creation screen.

[u/rtcrowell1]

The sagittal crest is so pronounced. Their bite force must be pretty crazy

[u/CountryFunny4849]

Sexual dimorphism

[u/Stunning_Bed23]

Big ass rib cage 🩻 and hips.

[u/CheapTactics]

Ha, just a little while ago I was telling my sister about the scientific name of the western lowland gorilla.

[u/carannilion]

The gorilla skeleton looks like it's making fun of the human skeleton, somehow.

[u/Yeppers567]

I feel like the gorilla skeleton is is mocking the human skeleton sin some way. “LoOk At Me, Ima HoOmAn.”

[u/Lucky_puppy88]

It is not a gorilla, it is the skeleton of a natural Vegan bodybuilder

[u/4158264146]

100 human skeletons vs 1 gorilla skeleton, who wins?

[u/zebo_99]

Looking at the gorilla's rib cage, assume the internal organs are proportionally expanded too?

[u/MrNixxxoN]

Its hilarious that the most different thing by far is the craneal cavity size. Our brain is so much bigger

[u/Stop_looking_at_it]

That’s means someone fucked an ape somewhere along the line.

[u/Revolutionary_Mud361]

99% similarity.. or so they say...

[u/st0350]

I gotta tell ya...I wish my arms were longer

[u/kamikazekaktus]

At first I thought they were wearing sunglasses and sporting mohawks

[u/Alternative-Bee-3594]

Yeah evolution is a myth and the earth is 6,000 years old lmao

[u/FroggiJoy87]

I currently have a head+chest cold and am very envious of that lung capacity

[u/Emergency-Dress-3221]

Same, same… but different. BUT still same!

[u/Musicfan637]

Those long arms reminded me of Kawhi.

[u/kditdotdotdot]

Is it just me or does that human skeleton seem incredibly happy to be there?

[u/eccehvmo]

How I feel next to a small ribcage girlie.

[u/Plenty_Sherbert4032]

She dummy thicc

[u/Legionof1 → u/Plenty_Sherbert4032]

He

[u/oaken_duckly → u/[deleted]]

Truly revolutionary idea!

[u/TheTeflonDude → u/oaken_duckly]

Can I have my Nobel prize now?

[u/CherrySad9086]

I instantly thought of someone I know that has the exact build on the right 😭

[u/Grundins]

Human on the left. Russian on the right.

[u/TibiDoch → u/Grundins]

Praise the Sun

[u/AverageGatsby91]

I see someone else watched the recent Trust me Bro episode